#62
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Shayku
4 months ago
Sure, but a 0.3% return over 18 days is about a 6.26% annual return.
first54
4 months ago
It is impossible to cut interest rates more than 6 times.
Shayku
4 months ago
If DOGE is created and Elon Musk is not it's head/co-head at any point by June 30, 2025, 11:59 PM ET, this market will resolve to "Yes." If DOGE is not officially created by June 30, 2025, 11:59 PM ET, this market will resolve to "Yes."
Flammergod
5 months ago
What happens if he never gets officially head of the department and just a consulatant or so?
Shayku
4 months ago
Nomura is in the minority.
beakman
4 months ago
Stop In Dec https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/nomura-expects-fed-pause-rate-cut-cycle-december-2024-11-18/
Shayku
5 months ago
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2024-10-30/leadership-du-plc/une-autre-rencontre-de-caucus-sous-le-signe-de-la-contestation.php
Shayku
5 months ago
Maga crowd.
MaxShorter
5 months ago
I swear polymarket users are not very smart, republican sweep is way too overpriced
Shayku
5 months ago
It's on - https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/canada/822591/yves-francois-blanchet-bloc-quebecois-ultimatum-gouvernement-trudeau
Kalypsio
5 months ago
If you voted yes to this, you know nothing of the Canadian élection system
Shayku
5 months ago
Yea but we're so firmly in a 50-50 world for the President that we effectively inhabit that 5% band. Unless turnout is lopsided, it'll be down to split ticket voters.
AranyakaX
5 months ago
RRD just shouldn't be 1/3 of the value of RRR as the House is more or less a coin toss. 15 c is s bargain.
Shayku
5 months ago
So the opposite of what the polls say.
Eer
5 months ago
D Prez, D Senate, R House
Shayku
5 months ago
Seems like it should be more like RRR-35, DRD-25, RRD-25, DRR-10, DDD-5
BigDaddyMoneyMaker
5 months ago
The more likely Trump is to win, the more RRD and RRR becomes a 50/50
Shayku
5 months ago
Sure, but not at that price.
poopoopeepee
5 months ago
sweep
Shayku
5 months ago
Oh. Yea, they're very related, you can't calculate it like that.
Josss
5 months ago
If we use the betting markets' probabilities, Republican sweep is at 27% although these things obviously aren't independent of one another.
Shayku
5 months ago
What are you talking about?
Josss
5 months ago
If we use the betting markets' probabilities, Republican sweep is at 27% although these things obviously aren't independent of one another.
Shayku
5 months ago
We speak like that of every demo.
SusanWarren,HR
6 months ago
Nobody "wins" white women. White women are not some object to be "won".
Shayku
5 months ago
2, they did 50bps in October, which was seen as somewhat of an aggressive start.
BigDaddyMoneyMaker
5 months ago
So, how many has been so far?
Shayku
5 months ago
Agreed. It had been suppressed by a bot filling all 15c buys, and now features a huge wall there instead. I have no idea why this is happening.
BigDaddyMoneyMaker
5 months ago
RRD has no business being this cheap
Shayku
5 months ago
Sure, but in such an unusually tight race, split tickets will have an unusually high impact.
Shayku
6 months ago
This market is weird. There's 44% on D pres, when the main market has it at 40%. And the likeliest option according to the polls is RRD, which here sits at 15%.
Shayku
6 months ago
This market is weird. There's 44% on D pres, when the main market has it at 40%. And the likeliest option according to the polls is RRD, which here sits at 15%.
Shayku
6 months ago
He leads them by just one point now. Turnout will be important.
Ghost-of-Tsushima
6 months ago
White female voters have been consistently voting Republican since 1952. Except for Clinton and Johnson. So is Trump undervalued maybe?
Shayku
6 months ago
Agreed. There's a bot filling all 15c orders.
QuteAnon
6 months ago
How is R Prez R Senate D House so cheap?
Shayku
6 months ago
Haha yea man, the market seems to have found its bearings since then. If anything I could have picked up then and sold now, but anyway I was also in the US on travel and unable to trade, it's all good. Can't get 'em all!
Shayku
6 months ago
Between 70 and 85 for Harris? Interesting. Since the main market predicts a Trump victory, is this MAGA assuming polling bias? Assuming Nate Silver bias?
Shayku
6 months ago
Some state level polls looking slightly Trumpy: https://x.com/Politics_Polls/status/1846585143709872560
Shayku
6 months ago
Yea she's getting some great national polls today. But I think the state level polls are more important in determining how that national level support might translate into the electoral college. Hopefully we get some of those state level polls today, or maybe the national polls include them, but our sources didn't publish that part. Also, Nate just tweeted "In general, short the trend and long the level, people chronically underrate mean reversion." - the mean, if you look at his graph, is a perfect 50-50. So following that logic, we should expect a lot of flipping, not based on the past 2-3 weeks, but based on the idea that future trends will revolve around the 50-50 mean that we've seen since Harris entered.
Shayku
6 months ago
Yea she's getting some great national polls today. But I think the state level polls are more important in determining how that national level support might translate into the electoral college. Hopefully we get some of those state level polls today, or maybe the national polls include them, but our sources didn't publish that part. Also, Nate just tweeted "In general, short the trend and long the level, people chronically underrate mean reversion." - the mean, if you look at his graph, is a perfect 50-50. So following that logic, we should expect a lot of flipping, not based on the past 2-3 weeks, but based on the idea that future trends will revolve around the 50-50 mean that we've seen since Harris entered.
Will143
6 months ago
Marist H +5
Shayku
6 months ago
Yea I expect it tomorrow, but even if she picks up, the gravity to 50-50 will do it's work at some point.
Kalags
6 months ago
Shayky, I guess its never too late to change sides.
Shayku
6 months ago
Haha of course not! Best of luck to you.
Kalags
6 months ago
Shayky, I guess its never too late to change sides.
Shayku
6 months ago
@Will134 yea I've thought about it, and given the 50-50 clause, I think the other market should actually be higher for Trump.
Shayku
6 months ago
Compare with this market: https://polymarket.com/event/will-harris-reach-60-before-trump-flips-her-on-silver-bulletin/will-harris-reach-60-before-trump-flips-her-on-silver-bulletin?tid=1728701803074 -- Right now they're close to equal at 70-30, but this one is strictly more likely to happen. I think that other one is priced correctly.
Shayku
6 months ago
I think he's saying it should be valued higher for Trump because in addition to being likely to flip, you're likely to get 50% if it doesn't.
PolarOpposite
6 months ago
Remember that Trump was 65% before the debate in Nates model. And harris has never had over 60%. You are way overastimating the probability that this will 50-50, and if it will its still a 70% return back from my investment. You see any negatives for the 50-50 :D?
Shayku
6 months ago
Sure, it's the win probability here: https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model
Jagonasch
6 months ago
What exactly is the resolution source for this? Cant find a chart specifically for "probability of winning the Electoral College"
Shayku
6 months ago
@Will143 That's true, but more importantly, the 50-50 clause means you might get some money back if you lose. Now I'm conflicted about how they should be priced, I'll have to think about it.
Shayku
6 months ago
Compare with this market: https://polymarket.com/event/will-harris-reach-60-before-trump-flips-her-on-silver-bulletin/will-harris-reach-60-before-trump-flips-her-on-silver-bulletin?tid=1728701803074 -- Right now they're close to equal at 70-30, but this one is strictly more likely to happen. I think that other one is priced correctly.
Shayku
6 months ago
If he doesn't flip her it'll be a slow crawl back for me, but there's a lot of time. I'm also pro-Kamala by the way, but the race is so tight, and I don't believe Nate's model is biased, despite what the cynics say.
Shayku
6 months ago
The other market is better - I just picked up a few more '66 yes flip' and they're more likely than this one.
Shayku
6 months ago
The other market is better - I just picked up a few more '66 yes flip' and they're more likely than this one.
Kalags
6 months ago
Bullish on my girl kamala! Shayky wann bet here? I know that you might be too exposed to the resolution of these markets, but I have seious offer @ 22 yes or 78 no. Tell me if you think theres a fairer prize and ill change my order.
Shayku
6 months ago
Between 70 and 85 for Harris? Interesting. Since the main market predicts a Trump victory, is this MAGA assuming polling bias? Assuming Nate Silver bias?
Shayku
6 months ago
Compare with this market: https://polymarket.com/event/will-harris-reach-60-before-trump-flips-her-on-silver-bulletin/will-harris-reach-60-before-trump-flips-her-on-silver-bulletin?tid=1728701803074 -- Right now they're close to equal at 70-30, but this one is strictly more likely to happen. I think that other one is priced correctly.
Kalags
6 months ago
I think we have created good odds with Shayky on the order book for both sides, and accurately priced the market.
Shayku
6 months ago
Honestly I would put it at 80-85, but I'm already over-exposed, and at a good price. Now the worst part: waiting.
Kalags
6 months ago
I think we have created good odds with Shayky on the order book for both sides, and accurately priced the market.
Shayku
6 months ago
Mhhhh, seems like arbitrage is certainly possible.
Shayku
6 months ago
A tie is what is expected. It's anything from 60-40 to 40-60, and includes many potential flips.
Firedigger
6 months ago
Anyone's game now, but it is still possible that Harris will hold a tie till the elections, and 28 are not bad odds for that.
Shayku
6 months ago
If an UMA fight starts on that basis, I'm throwing my computer out the window.
0xFEF075E1a7E32BFB916d6c23e661348225d48A69-1728521672331
6 months ago
The model must show Donald Trump with a greater probability of winning the electoral college than Donald Trump.
Shayku
6 months ago
And a few paragraphs before: "Still, polling movement is more likely to be “real” after surprises like the James Comey letter reopening an investigation into Clinton’s email server in October 2016. And the same is true after the set pieces of the campaign: debates, conventions, VP picks and candidates wrapping up their nominations. In fact, the model accounts for this latter group of circumstances, which we call “landmark events”: our polling averages are designed to be more aggressive after one of them occurs."
Shayku
6 months ago
Hello. This one should be a fun ride.
Shayku
6 months ago
"Lastly, the model is designed to be more aggressive toward the very end of the race. But by this I mean specifically the last week or week-and-a-half: four weeks out is a little too soon."
Shayku
6 months ago
Hello. This one should be a fun ride.
Shayku
6 months ago
On the last point? He says so in his last post:
Shayku
6 months ago
Hello. This one should be a fun ride.
Shayku
6 months ago
Nah. There's a good chance for a flip in the next days, and even if Kamala picks up, there are a lot of news cycles to go, the race is tight, and Nate's model only gets more aggressive as the final date approaches.
Shayku
6 months ago
Hello. This one should be a fun ride.
Shayku
6 months ago
Why are you on 'yes' then?
ThePolymath
6 months ago
Suckers bet. It could be a year after any recession. NBER declared that the United States entered a recession in December 2007 - They announced it December 1, 2008.
Shayku
6 months ago
lol
Meow.Zedong
6 months ago
Shhhh the Governor is speaking
Shayku
6 months ago
The rules are quite clear on this one.
DeucePapi
6 months ago
This market sounds like UMA hell
Shayku
6 months ago
'The northern eyewall spreading ashore' is not landfall as per the definitions linked in the rules.
Shayku
6 months ago
Landfall: The intersection of the surface center of a tropical cyclone with a coastline. Because the strongest winds in a tropical cyclone are not located precisely at the center, it is possible for a cyclone's strongest winds to be experienced over land even if landfall does not occur. Similarly, it is possible for a tropical cyclone to make landfall and have its strongest winds remain over the water.
Shayku
6 months ago
Landfall: The intersection of the surface center of a tropical cyclone with a coastline. Because the strongest winds in a tropical cyclone are not located precisely at the center, it is possible for a cyclone's strongest winds to be experienced over land even if landfall does not occur. Similarly, it is possible for a tropical cyclone to make landfall and have its strongest winds remain over the water.
Shayku
6 months ago
source?
ssha5140
6 months ago
recon into storm showing peak flight winds of 90kt. significant decrease. now if they'll report it in time...
Shayku
6 months ago
It can't be 'confirmed' if it hasn't made landfall.
horatio
6 months ago
CAT 3 CONFIRMED
Shayku
6 months ago
I hope not. Domer's on 4.
090x
6 months ago
i think that this market will be UMA market in the end
Shayku
6 months ago
No this storm is a liberal lie built to make us believe in climate change so that we'll put our lives in the hands of the state and give up our toddlers' freedom to play with guns.
rickleshit
6 months ago
wow. as a meteorologist i'm straight up going to tell you that you are retarded.
Shayku
6 months ago
CNN predicts landfall as 3. Their incentive is to exaggerate upwards, not downwards.
Shayku
6 months ago
https://www.forexlive.com/news/unconfirmed-reports-of-explosions-in-iran-isfahan-nuke-site-20241007/
Shayku
6 months ago
It was deleted
Bigiorn
6 months ago
https://x.com/NoMrOnlyLovejoy/status/1843431465012605249
Shayku
6 months ago
You're being disingenuous. The fact is that the resolution system is fundamentally flawed, in a way that that is dissonant with Poly's 'promise' and its public facing marketing of being the future of news. That kind of misalignment is not sustainable. You can blame the users for mass hysteria, but this is just one occurence, and it will keep happening as long as Poly remains dependent on a resolution system that is ripe for corruption.
🤺JustPunched
6 months ago
I have been very critical of Uma over the years. To me, though, this is very misplaced blame in this case. Yes holders deluded themselves to a degree that I've never seen before. It was like a mass hysteria event.
Shayku
6 months ago
the 2 whales that decide everything haven't revealed yet
BaruchAsulin
6 months ago
Dose yes stand a chance ?
Shayku
6 months ago
This is why PM should fork UMA into a version where the total shares per person is capped.
DFK
6 months ago
so basically, what everybody seems to agree upon, is that it can be 90% going one way, and boom just like that it could reverse because 1 or 2 people have more voting rights than everybody else put together? Am I getting this right?
Shayku
6 months ago
aunt is right, this is going yes
Shayku
6 months ago
I can't believe I have to say this, but intent precedes action.
mr.ozi
6 months ago
It looks like the IDF have just captured first villages in Lebanon: Odaisseh, Yaroun, and Maroun Al Ras - pending confirmation. Now, we finally can talk of an invasion and intent to control territory without any doubt.
Shayku
6 months ago
Does it also feature 2 previous markets, a risk to UMA reputation, a sus Domer figure and a debate on the word 'commence'? If so, I'm in.
SylvesterStallone
6 months ago
Mhhh, the exact same bet has twice аs much liquidity and has different odds, I'm not sure but аrbitrаgе is certainly doable https://x.com/AlphaNews_io/status/1842579398282871238
Shayku
6 months ago
Yea it could also be called Domer vs Polymarket.
crow
6 months ago
this market should be called Guess if the uma whales will vote yes or no
Shayku
6 months ago
I believe in Poly.
elies
6 months ago
I believe in domer
Shayku
6 months ago
Oh STFU.
SylvesterStallone
6 months ago
Mhhh, the exact same bet has twice аs much liquidity and has different odds, I'm not sure but аrbitrаgе is certainly doable https://x.com/AlphaNews_io/status/1842579398282871238
Shayku
6 months ago
Clearly.
elies
6 months ago
I believe in domer
Shayku
6 months ago
When the dealer leaves with your cash and never comes back, you don't realize his intentions until you've sat around for a while.
Fredi9999WASP🐝
6 months ago
YOu could have only voted yes, if you think the invasion did happen or p4 if you think theres not enough evidence yet.
Shayku
6 months ago
Make sure this is in the ER
Carlossss
6 months ago
https://www.un.org/en/lebanon-crisis-un-launches-426-million-aid-appeal-%E2%80%98limited%E2%80%99-israeli-ground-incursion-underway
Shayku
6 months ago
It's a rumour. I don't want to compromise sources, even if it means sounding less credible.
ncap
6 months ago
from where the news with UMA and PM?
Shayku
6 months ago
Fork UMA, prevent whales in the voting system.
NUTZILLA
6 months ago
who should it rely on instead?
Shayku
6 months ago
Rumor has it Poly is evaluating its dependence on UMA. As the platform takes off, it can't afford to rely on any dubious partners.
ncap
6 months ago
just wait for the result, maybe UMA decides otherwise...
Shayku
6 months ago
I would advise all No holders to go read the ER. The evidence is overwhelming on all fronts. There's still time for you to flip. You'll be greeted with food and shelter.
Shayku
6 months ago
Go read the evidence. It's overwhelming on all points. You still have time to flip.
LangdonBonaparte
6 months ago
In the history books the start of invasions are always marked as when large conventional forces enter the territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Preceding_special_forces_mission_in_al-Qa'im Small raids by special forces never count towards that. There were no clashes between Israeli forces and Hezbollah in September ET time and there were never any large conventional forces in Lebanon in September ET time.
Shayku
6 months ago
We see now that it was the commencement of the invasion. The same way one looks back on their first job as the commencement of a career.
Tenebrus7
6 months ago
If October would not have happend September would not be N invasion, so how can September by itself be an invasion. We will see shortly, in case No loses people will be quiet - in case yes loses, people gonna spam the comment section how unfair it is.
Shayku
6 months ago
Does that make No holders the smallest circlejerkers?
NIGGA
6 months ago
Yes holders are the largest circlejerkers
Shayku
6 months ago
'No' shift ending soon, wherever they are.
Shayku
6 months ago
I guess he looked the gift horse in the mouth.
aldynspeedruns
6 months ago
ur share count is going in the wrong direction
Shayku
6 months ago
Car, you're almost there. Be unburdened by what has been.
Car
6 months ago
its always the same story
Shayku
6 months ago
Well you're partly on Yes, aren't you?
Car
6 months ago
get my name out of your mouth. I am not on the YES side and dont support a YES resolution.
Shayku
6 months ago
Anyone that wants to help truth prevail here whatever way they believe that truth to be add astandforanime on Discord and they'll give you an unbiased rundown on how to make your voice heard, good luck everyone!
Shayku
6 months ago
Do it, Yes army - this is legit.
RememberAmalek
6 months ago
Well the previous TWO Discord users had no idea what's at stake and poor communication skills so lets try this again, anyone that wants to help truth prevail here whatever way they believe that truth to be add astandforanime on Discord and they'll give you an unbiased rundown on how to make your voice heard, good luck everyone!
Shayku
6 months ago
Uhh... you're reading the tea leaves upside down.
dancer
6 months ago
if this isn't resolved to a Yes, Polymarket and UMA's reputation will be in the DIRT, like DECRAPP!
Shayku
6 months ago
Sup cat! Clearly a fake cat, but ok. I won't mis-species you.
Meow.Zedong
6 months ago
@Shayku - Real cat
Shayku
6 months ago
That's why we rely on media consensus
Le-King
6 months ago
The truth is that no one fucking knows what happened except for the boys who were actually there, on the ground from September 30th through October 2nd
Shayku
6 months ago
Cash about to flood into Yes here.
Foreseeable.
6 months ago
Does anyone know anything about CHAD? Without him, this market would be dead since days! Does he know Whales? Will he be able to push Poly for a veto on UMA votes? Why would he bet a million against all the most successfull guys in the business?
Shayku
6 months ago
We're headed towards a market consensus here too, and the Yes gains from Nov haven't flooded in yet.
McLarry
6 months ago
Currently, Y is trading significantly higher than N. Y was traded at nearly 90 cents on September 30/October 1. It was only UMA that caused the price drop. This means that, in addition to the media consensus, there was also a market consensus. And now UMA is supposed to override this market and media consensus? That cannot be right
Shayku
6 months ago
He wasn't claimed the Nov market yet...
Foreseeable.
6 months ago
Does anyone know anything about CHAD? Without him, this market would be dead since days! Does he know Whales? Will he be able to push Poly for a veto on UMA votes? Why would he bet a million against all the most successfull guys in the business?
Shayku
6 months ago
I didn't see this argument proposed, might've missed it, but it's pretty good.
thismaysoundcornybutloveistheanswer
6 months ago
Looking closely at the chart will reveal the Yes value jumped over 75c at 30th of September
Shayku
6 months ago
Glad to have you aboard.
HaterzLoserz
6 months ago
Let me rejoin the fight by bringing it back to 50/50 parity and acquiring a nice 10k shares to participate in this glorious reconquest
Shayku
6 months ago
On the resolution thread, it's one post per person
denizz
6 months ago
Maybe someone could post this to the discord for me -- my account is too new to post.
Shayku
6 months ago
Not terrible points, but the yes cases are better
Shayku
6 months ago
Here's an excerpt:
Shayku
6 months ago
Crucially, UMA voted that (1) at the time of the first proposal for this market, proposed 2 hours before the deadline, there was not yet an invasion in Lebanon, and (2) at the time of the first proposal for the November invasion market, proposed 10 hours into October ET, there had also not yet been an invasion in Lebanon according to reporting. It is impossible to say that the invasion had not begun at 10 AM ET on October 1st, yet it had begun by 11:59 PM ET on September 30th. Other people have already posted ample evidence including statements by the UN, the USA, the Israeli army, and the Lebanese army that the invasion had not begun by 11:59 PM on September 30th, and instead, there were only several tactical raids going on at that time. It is also clear now that these raids have been ongoing for the past year (See Wall Street Journal article:
Shayku
6 months ago
Here's an excerpt:
Shayku
6 months ago
Here's an excerpt:
Phrank
6 months ago
How are they defending NO in the discord?
Shayku
6 months ago
So why is this at 45c?
abdendriel
6 months ago
November market unanimously voted it was an invasion already
Shayku
6 months ago
I'd be curious to hear the No case here. The yes case writes itself. I guess the No case wants to isolate the raids from the invasion? Seems like a heavy lift.
Shayku
6 months ago
Lottery ticket
DFK
6 months ago
But nobody voted NO so far (obviously). What I don't understand is why people are holding NO shares. That just blows my mind. Why would anyone hold NO shares. What am I missing.
Shayku
6 months ago
https://discord.com/channels/718590743446290492/964000735073284127/threads/1291759526005178418
PolyRig-Fried
6 months ago
“Commences a military offensive”. What military offensive was that? “Operation North Arrow”. Is Northern arrow the current operation? Yes. Therefore the October Evidence (reported facts) count as full strength evidence that the “commencement of the operation” which started on Sept 30 is an undeniable YES. Even UN and IDF backs up the “commencement of the operation” https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1841045490802053520 and https://x.com/IDF/status/1840890054819864776 - NO holders are in complete denial. Futhermore, the "commenced military offensive" has started "to establish control over any portion of Lebanon". Again backed up by the UN and IDF: https://x.com/IDF/status/1842127761944809559 and https://x.com/UN_SPExperts/status/1842180255294935514 How do you raid residential homes and seize weapons, if you can't exert at least some control on the ground?
Shayku
6 months ago
Not a bad point.
McLarry
6 months ago
If it is P4, Polymarkt must intervene. Perhaps that would even be bullish for September, because then they would have to make a decision there as well
Shayku
6 months ago
100%. And just that fact makes it likely that Poly will want to break away from UMA, turning the UMA stakeholders into bag holders.
tiekoo
6 months ago
This market is no longer events betting but "how the UMA holders vote" betting.
Shayku
6 months ago
The credibility of UMA is starting to be in doubt, which affects its value.
EastBoat
6 months ago
In November, Uma Whale attempted to make it P4. This is why I say current uma holders are dishonest.
Shayku
6 months ago
When the November market hits, this will spike hard. Get your shares while they're cheap!
Shayku
6 months ago
I mean, the other Yes case is to consider the preceding raids as part of the broader invasion offensive.
n/a
6 months ago
Is this literally going to come down to a time zone dispute?
Shayku
6 months ago
'It won't be the timezone' *makes the timezone argument*
TheGoober
6 months ago
It won't be about the time zone. The invasion was announced at 2 AM October 1st by the IDF, which places the starting time at 7 PM EDT September 30th.
Shayku
6 months ago
Yep.
n/a
6 months ago
Is this literally going to come down to a time zone dispute?
Shayku
6 months ago
Early morning in Israel is the previous day EST. This seals it.
Donkov
6 months ago
Straight from the UN “Israel’s latest breach of international law – a ground invasion in violation of Lebanon’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and Security Council resolution 1701 – will only add to this mounting toll of death and displacement,” https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/lebanon-un-experts-deplore-israels-increasing-disregard-international-law
Shayku
6 months ago
Yea, when this closes yes, September will pop
Nancy.Pelosi
6 months ago
Yes holders in this market would behoove themselves to look at the September market
Shayku
6 months ago
Media consensus is overwhelming.
denizz
6 months ago
Israel still hasn’t controlled any territory, per the Institute for the Study of War. There is no consensus that they are trying to do so, which would be contra their stated intentions. This market **cannot resolve to yes at this time**, since intent to establish control of Lebanese territory has not been shown by consensus of reporting.
Shayku
6 months ago
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/1842221701989273837
Shayku
6 months ago
The market is at 95%, it will resolve Yes.
Tenebrus7
6 months ago
If it resolves to Yes maybe, if it resolves to: too early at the time of proposal will go to Zero here. The November market can then resolve to YES later still
Shayku
6 months ago
It should spike, since it will confirm a foundational argument for Yes.
Scoobs
6 months ago
When the November market resolves Yes later today, What will that mean for this market?
Shayku
6 months ago
This is definitely true, but UMA holders also have an incentive to keep UMA credible.
EastBoat
6 months ago
Crazy. This market is not discussing facts. It's about whether someone will buy a large amount of uma tokens, around 20 million, and that backs up the facts.
Shayku
6 months ago
Waiting to see if it goes down, and managing risk of ruin.
puremichigan23
6 months ago
why not lift the 39s then
Shayku
6 months ago
Presence on Sep 30 has been established. Control after Sep has been established. This hinges on whether the sep 30 raids can be considered as part of an offensive intended to establish control.
Shayku
6 months ago
Add to the arguments above that many major outlets use the word 'invasion' in the headline - BBC, Vox, LA Times and many more.
Anon5215
6 months ago
I don't disagree that they commenced a military offensive on the night of September 30, but is it truly intended to establish control over any portion of the country? It sounds to me that they are going in to knock out certain infrastructures as opposed to establish control. Please prove me wrong if you have evidence
Shayku
6 months ago
Headlines say invasion, September 'enters' market closed 'yes', in retrospect that was clearly a 'commencement'.
Anon5215
6 months ago
Yes holders, what are the biggest sources you have for believing yes? I hold no position yet
Shayku
6 months ago
Watch the Yes price on the September market skyrocket when this gets resolved to yes.
Smashtouille
6 months ago
watch the no price skyrocket when the september get resolved to no
Shayku
6 months ago
I think the value of your position will go x2 or x3 very quickly.
io9000
6 months ago
I am extremely scared to lose money
Shayku
6 months ago
It'll keep going, you should get more
io9000
6 months ago
Is that why my shares are going down
Shayku
6 months ago
Horrible news cycle for Trump. The big lie is resurfacing, just as Vance's damning non-answer plays on a loop, alongside an otherwise stellar performance where he looked more presidential than Trump in every way.
Shayku
6 months ago
Not sure, but they're revealing over 24h. 5% revealed now.
Shayku
6 months ago
It's actually Early requ... 2.36% (16,046.42) Yes 55.20% (375,355.17) unknown/50... 42.44% (288,606.25) ... with still 96% of votes to be revealed
Shayku
6 months ago
Yes.
iwantam4
6 months ago
So, in this system, the rich get richer cuz they are rich and buy the truth?
Shayku
6 months ago
It's actually Early requ... 2.36% (16,046.42) Yes 55.20% (375,355.17) unknown/50... 42.44% (288,606.25) ... with still 96% of votes to be revealed
aenews2
6 months ago
97.6% P2 Yes
Shayku
6 months ago
Sure, but this ruling is not based on truth.
3potatoes
6 months ago
But ground troops did not enter…
Shayku
6 months ago
with 0.1% tokens revealed
Shayku
6 months ago
Yes is now leading by a tiny margin
Shayku
6 months ago
Yes is now leading by a tiny margin
Shayku
6 months ago
https://discord.com/channels/718590743446290492/719352532354465833
Shayku
6 months ago
P4 is leading but not all votes are in
Shayku
6 months ago
The UMA system is about to be revealed as totally flawed at best.
Shayku
6 months ago
Man, the UMA P4-P1 case looks REALLY good: https://discord.com/channels/718590743446290492/1290373714025906197
Shayku
6 months ago
Hello. This one should be a fun ride.
bugra1
6 months ago
hello
Shayku
6 months ago
If you read it, start from the top
Shayku
6 months ago
Man, the UMA P4-P1 case looks REALLY good: https://discord.com/channels/718590743446290492/1290373714025906197
Shayku
6 months ago
Vance looked really good on that stage. Maybe he should be president.
Shayku
6 months ago
Do you have evidence that UMA is not impartial?
dav1
6 months ago
How do we get Polymarket to do an ''emergency resolve'' of this market instead of letting 2 whales decide UMA?
Shayku
6 months ago
Ah yea, I saw that. That's their current line, same as Trump saying he'd love to debate 2-3 times, but the moderators are unfair. I won't say it means he'll debate, but it's in line with the theory that they're negotiating their way there.
MalikNabers
6 months ago
Cue a post by Shayku telling us why Don Jr saying Trump won’t debate again is a reason why Trump actually will debate again
Shayku
6 months ago
This.
PolymaREKT
6 months ago
Join UMA discord that’s where you opinion really matters
Shayku
6 months ago
When did the November market resolve?
BuckMySalls
6 months ago
this is simple. all whales and sharp bettors are on the side where an equivalent market already resolved yes, all the community takeover buyers are on the other side and pumping their shares before the expiry date. in the next few hours, they will need to start taking profits or let the shares go to zero because thats how this game works.
Shayku
6 months ago
Not quite, they could argue 'media consensus'.
zynyz
6 months ago
This 1 article settles the market 100%: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollah-media-chief-says-no-israeli-troops-have-entered-lebanon-2024-10-01/
Shayku
6 months ago
Don Jr saying Trump won’t debate again is a reason why Trump actually will debate again, because I don't see the tweet. Link?
MalikNabers
6 months ago
Cue a post by Shayku telling us why Don Jr saying Trump won’t debate again is a reason why Trump actually will debate again
Shayku
6 months ago
Did these make it into the UMA discussion?
Kf0106
6 months ago
Here are official sources that indicate Israeli troops did not enter Lebanon before September 30, 2024, at 11:59 PM ET: 1. Times of Israel: Reports confirmed that while there were rumors and preparations for a ground operation, no actual troop entry was reported before the end of September 30. Link to Times of Israel article . 2. Reuters: While airstrikes intensified, no Israeli troops had officially crossed into Lebanon by the end of September 30, 2024. Link to Reuters coverage. These sources confirm that the ground incursion did not begin until after the specified deadline.
Shayku
6 months ago
Cool. Where do you see this? Which UMA channel?
NotJustKen
6 months ago
UMA mod : To follow up on one of the points: time of assertion is important Only information available BEFORE someone proposes an outcome is to be considered Unless polymarket clarifies. (ITS HAPPENING GUYS)
Shayku
6 months ago
Ya found it
Phat.
6 months ago
I see the same was about to clip another 1k
Shayku
6 months ago
Do you have a link to it?
ANONYMOUS.
6 months ago
LFG boys UMA chat is looking like a NO to me...
Shayku
6 months ago
No credible news source reports it as a fact, they all say 'Israel say'. No frontline reports corroborate Israel's claims.
Hugor21
6 months ago
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/1/has-israel-launched-a-ground-operation-into-lebanon both parties say otherwise, but we have not seen any actual evidence of israel in libanon.
Shayku
6 months ago
Can you provide credible reporting? Other than 'Israel says'? Because Hezbollah says otherwise, and I don't make the rules.
TimeQuestion
6 months ago
Classic case of the losing side dominating the comments and wasting their time on a losing fight.
Shayku
6 months ago
When someone does post about it, share it here so we can all amplify. And make the post rational and demonstrative for better effect.
Phat.
6 months ago
Its a No but we they going to Rig it ... I would go public with this on X because where else someone will listen to you
Shayku
6 months ago
I've been looking for it, but all reporting says 'Israel says' while Hezbollah denies. I'd love to see the proof from the 'Yes' camp.
yevh97
6 months ago
Yes or No? Any proofs?
Shayku
6 months ago
"official confirmation by Lebanon, Israel, the United Nations, or any permanent member of the UN Security Council" ...OR
Hamurabi
6 months ago
Gonna be a wild ride https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1841056432612884944?t=IYVW3HD-HV3pwZVjCJYfmw&s=19
Shayku
6 months ago
yea the EV of the 'No' positon on that market actually looks good.
Meow.Zedong
6 months ago
This is very clearly no. Please buy more.
Shayku
6 months ago
Correct
Shayku
6 months ago
No one has submitted yet.
Shayku
6 months ago
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-822764
Shayku
6 months ago
Exactly. The invasion is a broadening.
Prophet👻
6 months ago
In some ways, the invasion is viewed as a broadening of a large number of very short nightly special forces missions into southern Lebanon, which have been going on for an extended period. - jpost,
Shayku
6 months ago
I guess they have defacto control over the area then.
Prophet👻
6 months ago
IDF invasion of southern Lebanon meets no Hezbollah resistance The invasion is expected to end within weeks, and should consist of several short special forces missions into southern Lebanon. - jpost.
Shayku
6 months ago
No one has submitted yet.
KKAJ
6 months ago
https://x.com/suppressednws/status/1841097247687147692?s=46 How can Russia demand this and this market not being resolved yet?
Shayku
6 months ago
Right on cue. He's just positioning to get the conditions he wants.
avadvsdfdsf
6 months ago
https://x.com/KellyannePolls/status/1840904696057237578 trump: I would love to have 2 or 3 more debates ... (notice the change in tone from no more debate)
Shayku
6 months ago
Yep. Asking for a village to be evacuated and rolling tanks into it = control
Car
6 months ago
A message to Y holders: Israeli troops last fought in Lebanon against Hezbollah in 2006, in a war that ended inconclusively after several weeks of fighting. Israeli officials anonymously told CNN that the offensive does not aim for a "long-term occupation." It should therefore not be a repeat of the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon between 1982 and 2000. It was intended to create a buffer against attacks.
Shayku
6 months ago
We're not looking for 'occupation' here, just 'intention to establish control over any portion of Lebanon'.
Car
6 months ago
A message to Y holders: Israeli troops last fought in Lebanon against Hezbollah in 2006, in a war that ended inconclusively after several weeks of fighting. Israeli officials anonymously told CNN that the offensive does not aim for a "long-term occupation." It should therefore not be a repeat of the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon between 1982 and 2000. It was intended to create a buffer against attacks.
Shayku
6 months ago
There is nothing about 'occupying'.
n/a
6 months ago
There are two different markets for a reason: One for entering and fighting in lebanon, and one for controlling and occupying. But Ig we'll see.
Shayku
6 months ago
I don't see how my comment influenced Trump's choice. I'm pointing out that he looks weak, like he rarely has before. Trump hates projecting weakness.
io9000
6 months ago
He wont give vance the last wordt because he will be live commenting on the debate. What a genius move now he doesn’t have to care about another debate: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/113227471530921481
Shayku
6 months ago
lol what a weakling
io9000
6 months ago
He wont give vance the last wordt because he will be live commenting on the debate. What a genius move now he doesn’t have to care about another debate: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/113227471530921481
Shayku
6 months ago
'clearing out' seems like a very strong expression of 'control'.
General.William.T.Sherman
6 months ago
NEW: The U.S. expects Israel to begin a limited ground operation into Lebanon that could start "immediately." Israel's objective would be to clear out Hezbollah infrastructure near Israeli border communities, according to a senior U.S. official.
Shayku
6 months ago
I would think so.
General.William.T.Sherman
6 months ago
Entering an area and directing what can be in that area is by definition control lmao
Shayku
6 months ago
Is standing in a spot 'establishing control' for some amount of time? Rolling into a village with tanks? Clearing a building?
Meow.Zedong
6 months ago
Is removing something by force exerting control?
Shayku
6 months ago
We already knew this, but it continues to be all on Trump. Will he humbly leave the last word to his smarter running mate while a woman of colour taunts him? https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1840749508033921121
Shayku
6 months ago
1 - Is there a difference between 'establishing control' and 'occupying'? 2 - How can we interpret intention? When the NYT says that US officials said that Israeli officials said that they did not intend... is that our source of truth?
Donkov
6 months ago
Would still be enough to resolve to yes
Shayku
6 months ago
https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1840766733625266517
Shayku
6 months ago
Agreed, but it gets blurry from there on, especially when we layer on the political spin.
Justifax
6 months ago
raids definitely don't count.
Shayku
6 months ago
"intended to establish control" - are we about to argue over intentions?
Shayku
6 months ago
It's pretty simple, my cash on Kamala is what I consider 'safe growth', and I put most of the rest on more high variance plays, in this case mainly on the theory that there will be another debate. All are positions that I regularly move in and out of with the news cycles. I see most EV in the 3+ option, since I see as a distinct possibility that they agree to Fox+other.
Shayku
6 months ago
This is why I think 3 debates is undervalued.
Shayku
6 months ago
Agreed, but the article makes interesting points, though fully unsourced.
nicekitty
6 months ago
anyone buying 5 shares to comment as often as you is a red herring
Shayku
6 months ago
This aged poorly.
1914L
7 months ago
if by other "bigger left wing party" you mean the bloc, you simply dont understand the dynamics. Bloc will NOT support trudeau, although the NDP might continue to support.
Shayku
6 months ago
I wonder if this type of reporting has ever preceded a retreat of the troops. Doubt it.
ActDrew
6 months ago
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-lebanon-war-hezbollah-09-28-24/index.html US sees possibility of limited Israeli ground incursion into Lebanon as IDF moves forces to border
Shayku
6 months ago
This is why I think 3 debates is undervalued.
io9000
6 months ago
Ok pretend you have more than 10 points of q. Neither trump nor kamara wants unfriendlies as debate moderators. Unfortunately, the country is so extremely divided that you can’t find an unbiased debate moderator, which is why there will never be more than 1 debate unless both parties believe they have something to gain at the same time (regardless of whether its true). So please buy more shares so i can buy 1 debate cheaper. If its at 60% ill promise to pump 20k more into 1 debate.
Shayku
6 months ago
Grammatically, it could go either way. Logically, there's a slight advantage to the 'announcement' side, because the underlying assumption might have been that past October 15th is too late to announce, whereas the date seems even more arbitrary than it already is if we're talking about the debate taking place.
just.some.guy
6 months ago
This is what attorneys call a statement against interest, but my reading is only the announcement's required.
Shayku
6 months ago
Good call.
drater
6 months ago
who knows. best guess is the VP debate gets everyone talking about Vance pissing Trump off. And then he agrees to Fox debate to get attention back
Shayku
6 months ago
How will watching the VP debate affect his feelings about it?
FrgalfrgalCZ
6 months ago
Donald and his team knows that another debate would tank his rankings, there is no way he will agree to another debate
Shayku
6 months ago
Yep, very confusing. My assumption, as I posted below, is that it's the announcement, but it'll certainly be subject to debate.
SusanWarren,HR
6 months ago
Another poorly-worded market. Is the October 15 deadline for when the debate will occur, or for the announcement?
Shayku
6 months ago
I wonder if watching the VP debate will jiggle his mind.
yungretard
6 months ago
Averaging more lower bc im having a hard time believing either will want to pass up on a debate (and the variance that comes with it, despite all the current posturing) when the race is projected to be a coin toss. I could be wrong and they could both play it safe but idk, I have a feeling.
Shayku
6 months ago
Hmm. Nah.
io9000
6 months ago
Just sell the shares already before you lose even more lol
Shayku
6 months ago
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4898291-bret-baier-trump-not-harris-debate-holdup-fox-news/
Shayku
6 months ago
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4898291-bret-baier-trump-not-harris-debate-holdup-fox-news/
Shayku
6 months ago
" 64% Want To See The Two Candidates Debate Again " - That's a green light for the Harris campaign to continue goading.
Shayku
6 months ago
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3908
Shayku
6 months ago
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3908
Shayku
6 months ago
Sure, but all 3 debates historically take place between now and the election. Not before.
RolloTomssi
6 months ago
Don't forget! This would be the 3rd debate.
Shayku
6 months ago
That's true, and as long as he doesn't, it's an admission of inferiority.
Mountainman
6 months ago
No one on the right cares at all. He would look weak walking into a trap yet again.
Shayku
6 months ago
That, and his own party. He's looking very weak on this.
Mountainman
6 months ago
Left Wing rag says Kamala is pressuring Trump??? Quick, buy more 2-3 debates!!!!!
Shayku
6 months ago
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4894831-trump-pressure-second-harris-debate/
Shayku
6 months ago
Just the facts.
Mountainman
6 months ago
Historical levels of Cope.
Shayku
6 months ago
Who cares?
io9000
6 months ago
You guys are simply dumb gamblers. Weeks ago i said kash patel said trump would do one debate and no one cared to verify or check. Degenerates.
Shayku
6 months ago
Ok, so you agree that it would be a great show of force for her, but your counterr argument is an ad hominem attack. Got it.
Mountainman
6 months ago
Trump flat out said NO to CNN, no negotiation of terms whatsoever. Literally 0% chance Kamala agrees to a Fox debate. Not to mention that every week they send a new assassin after Trump. This one is over Boys and Girls! Anything under 90 cents is a bargain.
Shayku
6 months ago
You have yet to provide supporting arguments, you're just restating your assertion.
Mountainman
6 months ago
Trump flat out said NO to CNN, no negotiation of terms whatsoever. Literally 0% chance Kamala agrees to a Fox debate. Not to mention that every week they send a new assassin after Trump. This one is over Boys and Girls! Anything under 90 cents is a bargain.
Shayku
6 months ago
And it would be a 'show, not tell' of her stated intention of being a president 'for all Americans'
Shayku
6 months ago
It would be quite a show of confidence to show up on Fox.
Shayku
6 months ago
It would be quite a show of confidence to show up on Fox.
Mountainman
6 months ago
Trump flat out said NO to CNN, no negotiation of terms whatsoever. Literally 0% chance Kamala agrees to a Fox debate. Not to mention that every week they send a new assassin after Trump. This one is over Boys and Girls! Anything under 90 cents is a bargain.
Shayku
6 months ago
I don't see why she wouldn't agree to a Fox debate if there's also a CNN debate to cap things off.
Mountainman
6 months ago
Trump flat out said NO to CNN, no negotiation of terms whatsoever. Literally 0% chance Kamala agrees to a Fox debate. Not to mention that every week they send a new assassin after Trump. This one is over Boys and Girls! Anything under 90 cents is a bargain.
Shayku
6 months ago
Same. It would ultimately be fairest if they did ABC, Fox, then CNN without fact check.
yoonmarketenjoyer
6 months ago
My theory is Trump is trying to leverage the fact that Harris wants more debates in order to eventually get her to accept the Fox invitation.
Shayku
6 months ago
Normally, this far out from the election, the first debate would not have occurred yet. In modern history, there was always 2 or 3 debates in October - https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/presidential-documents-archive-guidebook/presidential-campaigns-debates-and-endorsements-0
Meow.Zedong
6 months ago
Nah bruh. People are voting already. Kamala was offered additional debates in August and she declined. Although she categorically won the debate, she didn’t really resonate with voters on key issues. She didn’t offer specific policy platforms. Mostly emotional platitudes and digs at Donald Trump. She needs another debate more than he does. I’m sure his internal polling shows that. People know Trump. They needed to get to know Harris and she didn’t really deliver. Oh well.
Shayku
6 months ago
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/presidential-documents-archive-guidebook/presidential-campaigns-debates-and-endorsements-0
Shayku
6 months ago
Trump says it's too late, but historically, at this point in the election process, the debates would not have started. Only ONE TIME in history was there a debate this early in the process. In 1980. Normally, there would still be 3 debates ahead of us. Also, never in history has the VP debate been the 'last word'. Does Trump want to hand that to Vance? Really? There's plenty of time for Trump to negotiate 2 more debates, one on Fox, one on CNN or NBC.
Shayku
6 months ago
Trump says it's too late, but historically, at this point in the election process, the debates would not have started. Only ONE TIME in history was there a debate this early in the process. In 1980. Normally, there would still be 3 debates ahead of us. Also, never in history has the VP debate been the 'last word'. Does Trump want to hand that to Vance? Really? There's plenty of time for Trump to negotiate 2 more debates, one on Fox, one on CNN or NBC.
Shayku
6 months ago
It's to late.
Chen1996
6 months ago
Trump had no issues with the first debate on CNN, will be interesting to see what he says in these upcoming days
Shayku
6 months ago
There's simply no time.
MalikNabers
6 months ago
Wow the biggest pro multi debate guy lol
Shayku
7 months ago
Yea I mostly pulled out, I don't think it's happening.
Shayku
7 months ago
This one is gonna hit home - https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-harris-tops-trump-two-points
Shayku
7 months ago
Like clockwork, today's polling shows a strong post-debate bounce for Harris. The pressure mounts, and it will continue to get worse for Trump in the next days. I expect the debate negotiations to be known some time between Sep 20th and Sep 25th.
Shayku
7 months ago
Welp, turns out Nate Silver sees the same polls.
MalikNabers
7 months ago
The cope is strong with this one.
Shayku
7 months ago
Because I'm expecting people to get antsy in the coming days, and the price to come down, and I want to get some cash before the downswing so I can buy them back cheaper over the weekend.
Pump
7 months ago
the pressure mounts, that is why you are offloading your 2 shares while posting bullish comments, gj
Shayku
7 months ago
Like clockwork, today's polling shows a strong post-debate bounce for Harris. The pressure mounts, and it will continue to get worse for Trump in the next days. I expect the debate negotiations to be known some time between Sep 20th and Sep 25th.
Shayku
7 months ago
Post-debate polling has started coming is and is looking positive for Harris. By the end of the week, he (small) lead should be confirmed, and at that point the pressure will really be on.
coolguy69
7 months ago
The argument for why there will be another debate: DJT is getting desperate, and if you just look at the calendar, there really aren't any more opportunities to strongly change the narrative. He will get desperate and do a second debate to try to drive up enthusiasm.
Shayku
7 months ago
There's no need to bet shame, to each our decisions.
Bettensor
7 months ago
Showing conviction with $5 lmao
Shayku
7 months ago
Go away.
GouValeau
7 months ago
Оn this bеt, VоtеХ [votenex.com] hаs dоublе thе liquiditу, аnd diffеrеnt оdds. it sееms tо hаvе а strоng аrbitrаgе орроrtunitу in thеsе mаrkеts
Shayku
7 months ago
Normally the first debate would not have happened yet, and there would be 3 to come.
Shayku
7 months ago
At this price, when they announce one, 3 will get a bigger multiplier bump than 2. Let alone if they announce 2 more at the same time.
Shayku
7 months ago
At this price, when they announce one, 3 will get a bigger multiplier bump than 2. Let alone if they announce 2 more at the same time.
kekkone
7 months ago
Three just somehow feels magical.
Shayku
7 months ago
Trump, the day after your comment: "If I get in the right mood, sure." Yea, Trump says a lot of things, and by now we should all be accustomed to the repetitive pattern of his position changes.
just.some.guy
7 months ago
Trump: "There will not be another debate." This market: Eh, Trump says a lot of stuff.
Shayku
7 months ago
Not if people spend the weekend pricing in Trump's backtrack.
Will143
7 months ago
1 no shares going to be worth 15 c less by Monday.
Shayku
7 months ago
And the corresponding goading: https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1834767575642771837
Chen1996
7 months ago
Fox News: Trump appears to leave door open for second debate with Harris: 'Maybe if I got in the right mood
Shayku
7 months ago
Here's the video: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/trump-appears-leaves-door-open-second-debate-harris-maybe-i-got-right-mood.amp
Chen1996
7 months ago
He's already backtracking: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/us/politics/trump-harris-second-debate.html "In his news conference Friday, at a golf course he owns in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., Mr. Trump suggested he might again change his mind about another debate with Ms. Harris. “Maybe if I got in the right mood, I don’t know,” he said."
Shayku
7 months ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/trump-appears-leaves-door-open-second-debate-harris-maybe-i-got-right-mood.amp
Pump
7 months ago
if it wasn't final, this statement about not participating in the second debate wouldn't have been made on video
Shayku
7 months ago
(thanks)
Chen1996
7 months ago
He's already backtracking: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/us/politics/trump-harris-second-debate.html "In his news conference Friday, at a golf course he owns in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., Mr. Trump suggested he might again change his mind about another debate with Ms. Harris. “Maybe if I got in the right mood, I don’t know,” he said."
Shayku
7 months ago
lol obv
Chen1996
7 months ago
He's already backtracking: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/13/us/politics/trump-harris-second-debate.html "In his news conference Friday, at a golf course he owns in Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., Mr. Trump suggested he might again change his mind about another debate with Ms. Harris. “Maybe if I got in the right mood, I don’t know,” he said."
Shayku
7 months ago
k
Shayku
7 months ago
Nothing new, he has flip-flopped many times ahead of the last debate. He'll frame it as a negotiation tactic.
Shayku
7 months ago
Another - https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/2024-debates-donald-trump-kamala-harris
Shayku
7 months ago
I don't have time to do the research, but here's one tidbit - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112896042195717073
Shayku
7 months ago
From this article - https://newrepublic.com/post/184702/donald-trump-media-attention-kamala-harris-debate
Shayku
7 months ago
I don't have time to do the research, but here's one tidbit - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112896042195717073
Shayku
7 months ago
I don't have time to do the research, but here's one tidbit - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112896042195717073
Pump
7 months ago
if it wasn't final, this statement about not participating in the second debate wouldn't have been made on video
Shayku
7 months ago
Nothing new, he has flip-flopped many times ahead of the last debate. He'll frame it as a negotiation tactic.
Pump
7 months ago
if it wasn't final, this statement about not participating in the second debate wouldn't have been made on video
Shayku
7 months ago
Every night, he's replaying it in his mind, cringing and imagining what he should have said. He needs a bit more time to process, but he'll want his shot when he feels ready again.
Pump
7 months ago
if it wasn't final, this statement about not participating in the second debate wouldn't have been made on video
Shayku
7 months ago
Posting this in the hopes of getting people to exit so I can get more at a lower price: https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1834347991286636953
Shayku
7 months ago
Well, good EV anyway.
Bettensor
7 months ago
Easy money lmao
Shayku
7 months ago
The goading continues - https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1834333718464389147
Shayku
7 months ago
Yea I quickly sold, and then got back in. Exciting.
jcooper3123212321
7 months ago
I'm not saying the movement in this market isn't somewhat understandable, but it's surprising to see how much this market moves based on the meaningless and contradictory "tweets" of someone who repeatedly said he wouldn't do the first debate.
Shayku
7 months ago
Of course - thank you. I was being snotty, forgot we're not in the chat of the 'main' market.
sd2333
7 months ago
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/donald-trump-says-he-wont-do-another-debate-with-kamala-harris-c7d8e428?st=R7YjZm Asked if Trump was in fact ruling out a debate, a spokeswoman said in an email, “You heard the man!”
Shayku
7 months ago
Yea, that scenario makes sense too. It's actually why I think we might see 2 more debates - Fox, then NBC, to balance things out. But of course, who knows.
mr.ozi
7 months ago
I personally think she has a lot to gain from calling him a coward for not wanting to do a debate at all, and if he says 'only Fox', laughing at him that he only feels safe with his cronies. And she has a lot to lose by going to Fox, and having the entire setup against her, including unfavorable questions, etc. I don't see it, really. Anyway, we will know within a month :)
Shayku
7 months ago
Doing a repeat of the debate in front of his own crowd would be the last nail in his campaign.
mr.ozi
7 months ago
Why would she ever agree to that?
Shayku
7 months ago
Yea he said that today. As we've seen at the debate, he's as focused as my dog in a pool of squirrels, and Kamala is a squirrel druid.
sd2333
7 months ago
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/donald-trump-says-he-wont-do-another-debate-with-kamala-harris-c7d8e428?st=R7YjZm Asked if Trump was in fact ruling out a debate, a spokeswoman said in an email, “You heard the man!”
Shayku
7 months ago
Kamala presses on. The setup is there for Trump to impose Fox. https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1834320939321872743
Shayku
7 months ago
As Chen indicated, the goading begins: https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1834320939321872743
Shayku
7 months ago
You got out fast.
JayZee
7 months ago
Might be a long shot but you never know with Trumps ego
Shayku
7 months ago
The main market has flipped in Kamala's favour. We've had several flippenings in the past, but I believe this one has stuck the longest. It seems very possible that we never see it flip back. The honeymoon may have faded, but at the debate, Kamala's skill and seriousness was affirmed and committed to collective memory. Trump would need a shake-up, of a kind that is nowhere to be seen on the horizon. Can he really afford to leave the debate stage with this performance?
Shayku
7 months ago
You bragged.
JohnathanDoe
7 months ago
what went wrong?
Shayku
7 months ago
As of this writing, this market is markedly cheaper - https://polymarket.com/event/number-of-debates-between-trump-and-harris/3-trump-vs-harris-debates-before-election?tid=1726108953516
Shayku
7 months ago
50-Pence = TheGuru?
Meow.Zedong
7 months ago
50-Pence and Waynewest buying up lots of Kamala. Whale watching is interesting.
Shayku
7 months ago
I expect a second one, and when that's announced, '3' should triple.
bfip
7 months ago
fck i am gonna lose some money on this one, please tell me there will be more than one debate. vs Hillary and Biden he also did more than 1.
Shayku
7 months ago
Ouh, are we looking at another battle on the main market?
Caligulas.dog
7 months ago
Waynewest is accumulating like crazy
Shayku
7 months ago
And by the way, the wording on the 'number of debates' market is better, and you should adopt standard wording to minimize confusion. Like game rules, or text on Magic cards. Standard vocabulary, standard syntax, etc.
Shayku
7 months ago
Rules check: "This market will resolve to "Yes" if Fox News (Fox News Channel, FNC) announces Donald Trump and Kamala Harris have agreed to a debate hosted by them between July 20, and October 15, 2024, 11:59 PM ET. Otherwise, this market will resolve to "No"." ... What has to happen between those dates? The announcement, the agreement or the debate? I would assume it's the announcement.
Shayku
7 months ago
Rules check: "This market will resolve to "Yes" if Fox News (Fox News Channel, FNC) announces Donald Trump and Kamala Harris have agreed to a debate hosted by them between July 20, and October 15, 2024, 11:59 PM ET. Otherwise, this market will resolve to "No"." ... What has to happen between those dates? The announcement, the agreement or the debate? I would assume it's the announcement.
Shayku
7 months ago
Exactly.
BuckMySalls
7 months ago
His rebuttal is as credible as the 92-8 poll he cites. He just wants to negotiate more favorable terms and once the polls bump her up, he'll become more flexible on the conditions.
Shayku
7 months ago
Cheers, good luck!
Highboard
7 months ago
1 is now a lock boys. Both sides have incentive not to go for a 2nd. Trump doesn't want another ass whupping, and Kamala doesn't want to risk Fox News. Let's distribute those winnings.
Shayku
7 months ago
That's a good point, but I think she's not doing those because she's just not great at them. She's not very personable one on one. But she is great in a more antagonistic context, maybe because of her experience as prosecutor. So my assumption is that she'll want as much of that type of confrontation injected into the campaign as possible.
Highboard
7 months ago
1 is now a lock boys. Both sides have incentive not to go for a 2nd. Trump doesn't want another ass whupping, and Kamala doesn't want to risk Fox News. Let's distribute those winnings.
Shayku
7 months ago
Or, would Harris show up to a Fox News debate? At this point I think she might. If she can pull off a similar performance there, it's the final nail.
Highboard
7 months ago
1 is now a lock boys. Both sides have incentive not to go for a 2nd. Trump doesn't want another ass whupping, and Kamala doesn't want to risk Fox News. Let's distribute those winnings.
Shayku
7 months ago
I have the opposite take. Trump needs a re-do, Harris campaign has asked for one. This is happening.
Highboard
7 months ago
1 is now a lock boys. Both sides have incentive not to go for a 2nd. Trump doesn't want another ass whupping, and Kamala doesn't want to risk Fox News. Let's distribute those winnings.
Shayku
7 months ago
Why?
Dzso
7 months ago
Florida and Texas both have to flip, at a minimum, for this to happen.
Shayku
7 months ago
As I posted last week, she still needs to secure republican votes, now has the confidence to show up on Fox, and Trump is angling for the next debate to happen there: https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-reacts-abc-news-presidential-debate-performance-says-whether-hes-open-second-harris
Shayku
7 months ago
No, he's angling to do it on Fox News.
Wael
7 months ago
"Trump just said on Fox News that he won't participate in another debate unless it's on a fair news network. He claims he's a winner, and she's asking for another debate because she lost."
Shayku
7 months ago
https://x.com/brianefallon/status/1833698318829982118?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1833698318829982118%7Ctwgr%5E5c93222e6fc8d75cc904691559f017a7adff831f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Flive-news%2Fkamala-harris-donald-trump-presidential-debate-september-10-2024
Shayku
7 months ago
It's the same rules as the last derivative market, which had a lot of market pumping drama, but no rules drama that I was aware of.
Shayku
7 months ago
What drama do you expect? There's not enough money on it right now to warrant rocking the main market.
Shayku
7 months ago
The volume isn't there, at least not yet.
babendums
7 months ago
im in for the whale games
Shayku
7 months ago
But they need to do that for over 2 hours.
432
7 months ago
they do it on purpose.They simply need to pump harris a bit within a 4h period a day AFTER the debate where the volume is back down so harris will win the bet
Shayku
7 months ago
What drama do you expect? There's not enough money on it right now to warrant rocking the main market.
Justifax
7 months ago
This market has a very large potential for serious drama, though they should have expired it during the debate.
Shayku
7 months ago
where do you stand?
sigh
7 months ago
some of yall are really going either 1) omg there's no way she can win them all, I multiplied the probabilities and it's less than 5% or 2) it's literally just a georgia market, have you seen the 538 snake graph??
Shayku
7 months ago
0 debate holders are probably people who have multiple bets and go for high variance, high EV bets.
BennyS
7 months ago
0 debate holders are about to become $0 holders
Shayku
7 months ago
Whales are only toe-deep though.
BlackSky123
7 months ago
Let's do this again on the 11th:
Shayku
7 months ago
Are we expecting some boat rocking here? Whales are only toe-deep.
Shayku
7 months ago
No theyre saying 538 will say that.
KingAlex
7 months ago
People saying Border Czar Kamala will win are smoking crack. Burdened by the unburdened.
Shayku
7 months ago
That was awesome
Rueben
7 months ago
Are you not entertained?
Shayku
7 months ago
Watching.
Fred19999
7 months ago
5 minutes until take off 🚀
Shayku
7 months ago
Part of the theory is money laundering, so it would indeed be with other wallets.
Justifax
7 months ago
unless they're going to do it with other wallets, the topholders have no liquidity. they lost it all betting on this market.
Shayku
7 months ago
Take the other side and let's go
HaterzLoserz
7 months ago
Now that im out, max chaos please, want to see lawsuits and everything
Shayku
7 months ago
It's only 1.3M to pump Kamala to .50, and it's not like that money goes to a loss. I don't see why it wouldn't be manipulated, personally.
CookedAlligator
7 months ago
This time there is too much liquidity to let it happen
Shayku
7 months ago
Fake princess.
princess4trump
7 months ago
What is happening Friday
Shayku
7 months ago
CFTC is a US agency.
Justifax
7 months ago
Hopefully the CFTC looks into this shit. Very sketchy imho
Shayku
7 months ago
Hmm, seems like it was 2003 - https://www.c-span.org/video/?178099-1/democratic-presidential-candidates-debate
just.some.guy
7 months ago
You're right, the first debate of 2020 was hosted by Chris Wallace, but on Fox network, not Fox News; and since then the eminently fair Chris Wallace has left for CNN. Also, you mention Fox News has held many primary debates of both parties. I don't know of a single democratic primary debate Fox News has hosted; can you link me? Thanks
Shayku
7 months ago
Notably, Fox News was scheduled to host a Democratic primary debate in 2008, but the debate was canceled due to backlash from Democratic candidates and liberal groups who objected to the network's perceived bias against the Democratic Party.
just.some.guy
7 months ago
You're right, the first debate of 2020 was hosted by Chris Wallace, but on Fox network, not Fox News; and since then the eminently fair Chris Wallace has left for CNN. Also, you mention Fox News has held many primary debates of both parties. I don't know of a single democratic primary debate Fox News has hosted; can you link me? Thanks
Shayku
7 months ago
Actually just one for the Dems: Fox News hosted a Democratic primary debate on September 9, 2004, in Baltimore, Maryland.
just.some.guy
7 months ago
You're right, the first debate of 2020 was hosted by Chris Wallace, but on Fox network, not Fox News; and since then the eminently fair Chris Wallace has left for CNN. Also, you mention Fox News has held many primary debates of both parties. I don't know of a single democratic primary debate Fox News has hosted; can you link me? Thanks
Shayku
7 months ago
Oh that was the original date? I didn't even think that was on the horizon for anyone. This is about post-10th
mr.ozi
7 months ago
I am so happy you're here :)
Shayku
7 months ago
The first presidential debate of the 2020 election cycle between Donald Trump and Joe Biden was moderated by Chris Wallace of Fox News. Fox also hosted many primary debates, for both parties.
mr.ozi
7 months ago
Never in history was there a presidential debate on Fox. If she does poorly, Trump will agree to a debate in the "fake news" media to hit her again. If she does well, there will be too much too risk for her to go to Fox News. It ain't happening 😘😉
Shayku
7 months ago
Why on the 4th?
0xNabs
7 months ago
Getting ready for the bottom price on this one on the 4th and load up - chances are she will need more debates after her polls start tanking…!
Shayku
7 months ago
If Kamala does well, she may still need to secure some republican voters and will have built the confidence to show up on Fox. If she doesn't do so well, she'll need another chance, and Trump will have some leeway to impose the conditions he wants.
Shayku
7 months ago
She'll want to increase her visibility with Republicans
just.some.guy
7 months ago
And you expect she'd choose Fox News? Would Trump ever do a debate hosted by MSNBC? Ever wonder why that is?
Shayku
7 months ago
Ah you're right, I was looking at the polls forecast
McLarry
7 months ago
Yes, I have also subscribed. How high is harris' current probability of winning in Arizona? ;)
Shayku
7 months ago
47.6 vs 47.2
McLarry
7 months ago
Yes, I have also subscribed. How high is harris' current probability of winning in Arizona? ;)
Shayku
7 months ago
You must not be subscribed. I'm looking at the table now.
McLarry
7 months ago
this is a lie, Harris leads only in WI and MI. Just sell your bags, they will drop even further
Shayku
7 months ago
As of this writing, Nate Silver has Harris leading each of those states.
McLarry
7 months ago
No power to alcohol kids, otherwise you'll end up like Grandpa Shayku.
Shayku
7 months ago
If you're going to bet Dem in Georgia, this market is much better value for you: https://polymarket.com/event/will-kamala-harris-win-every-swing-state/will-kamala-harris-win-every-swing-state?tid=1724934789659
Shayku
7 months ago
Probably, but at 4%, the EV is on 3.
Darth-JarJar
7 months ago
One of the typical 3 debates already happened with Biden and Trump. This market is between Harris and Trump only. It’s either 0, 1, or 2.
Shayku
7 months ago
What's weird is calling your own blog post 'excellent'.
SummerWind
7 months ago
Actually, that's no true. From this excellent blog post: "from a broader market perspecitve: imagine Kamala has a 52% chance to win, but the odds don’t move much, so you can estimate that one day before the election the probability of her winning will still be 52% with a 70% probability. Then one market should have 52%, and the other 70%." https://polymarketblogger.wordpress.com/home/food-for-thought/why-it-makes-sense-for-the-polymarket-to-have-different-odds-for-options/
Shayku
7 months ago
Nate Silver has Harris in the lead.
Shayku
7 months ago
This market is still underpriced. It's basically a Georgia market right now.
Shayku
7 months ago
Perhaps, but in the situation they now find themselves in, it would seem much more consistent to resolve as 'Yes'. If not they'd have to go back and modify other markets.
Bigdog666
7 months ago
PolyMarket jumped the gun. And overplayed their hand without understanding the politcal landscape of US Politics and Campaign strategies that supersede this basic ass move they played.
Shayku
7 months ago
We went through this with Bernie not endorsing Harris. He said he would work to get people to vote for her, but didn't use the word 'endorse' so it resolved to 'No'. This seems to be the same.
Shayku
7 months ago
Other markets on here consider RFK to have dropped out. How would PM resolve the inconsistency?
Shayku
7 months ago
You can't calculate expected value without including 'the probability of the outcome'
Morgan101
7 months ago
You have gambled $7k for a maximum upside of $360. Betting the same amount the opposite way has a potential payout of $138k. No matter what you think about the probability of the outcome here - which has the highest expected value?
Shayku
8 months ago
Well that aged poorly.
0x688514D28AE78B3A39573802a00Aa3b32e1e2602-1722977934152
8 months ago
GA ain’t in play
Shayku
8 months ago
Yea, good to observe the behaviour of the markets
AmericansCantBetHere
8 months ago
given that DNC is up in Nevada now per the market, my guess is simply market delays
Shayku
8 months ago
I disagree, she needs to speak to a more unlikely crowd. She can set some conditions like Trump did for his Biden debate on CNN. She won't have any trouble with Trump, he's very old and slow.
diddy
8 months ago
I don't think voting here YES is the right choice. It should be ±15. Kamala would destroy her presidential bid by just appearing on Fox. She's at an extreme disadvantage. Right now she's on a lead on pools. Out of all presidential bids, historically, why would she be the one to accept this roast bid.
Shayku
8 months ago
Polls show him down - including Nate Silver's model
0xc82CDDbfD073be01AE8DF2968827aa82269B4c85-1717120400943
8 months ago
Trumps plan for no tax on tips, GOP Governor cleaning up voter rolls, and the polls show Trump up big.
Shayku
8 months ago
Why does this market disagree with the polling and history?
Shayku
8 months ago
Oh, that youtube video of a guy running around a suburb? Yea ok.
Shayku
8 months ago
Like what, for example?
Shayku
8 months ago
Tie in the house?
fatal
8 months ago
who is others?
Shayku
8 months ago
Really, they have to crowdfund? Poor Americans, they don't trust each other to form a functioning government.
0xCb9cF4773A232Ac612E656dF7733e659E1eEf515-1722999050018
8 months ago
Better than American athletes who have to crowdfund online... US govt is such a disgrace, can't even support their own athletes...
Shayku
8 months ago
Like what, for example?
0x10Efaa649117eBfD76C98F93E9381A4D2ab62FEC-1721606582418
8 months ago
Easy. Cant compete with corrupt dem fundraising tactics
Shayku
8 months ago
Unity ticket.
Shayku
8 months ago
Waltz is the progressive choice. Kamala wants to shrug off that label.
scattering
8 months ago
NGL, I wonder what assumptions of mine were wrong if I should lose tomorrow
Shayku
8 months ago
Shapiro is the hedge, keeps me even. Pete is the play, the others are cheap upside.
Shayku
8 months ago
Unlikely, but best EV by far.
Shayku
8 months ago
The things that have happened are still factors.
n/a
8 months ago
Kamala hasn’t picked anybody, which is why she’s doing interviews with each of the candidates today. Anyone saying “it’s already X person” is an idiot. Anything can happen right now.
Shayku
8 months ago
Unlikely, but best EV by far.
yourrapist1776
8 months ago
The buttigieg yes people are even more retarded than the shapiro yes people
Shayku
8 months ago
The one with the most name ID, favorability and executive experience.
Socialise
8 months ago
Who
Shayku
8 months ago
That's what flipped me over. Pelosi knows what's up, and Kamala needs a compass.
Gamerinblue
8 months ago
Pelosi supporting Walz is basically Pelosi's way of telling Kamala, "Don't go with Shapiro."
Shayku
8 months ago
If that's the MAGA attack on Buttigieg, she should pick him yesterday.
Shayku
8 months ago
Alright fam, everybody ready for tomorrow's pump??
Shayku
8 months ago
Alright fam, everybody ready for tomorrow's pump??
Shayku
8 months ago
Philly mayor? The one that posted a video that included Shapiro as VP?
GreenBeanEater
8 months ago
Walz endorsements: UAW, Biden, Pelosi, House Dem caucus, teachers’ unions | Shapiro endorsements: Biden, Philly mayor
Shayku
8 months ago
My issue with Waltz is he's the progressive choice, and Harris wants to get away from that label.
Shayku
8 months ago
Still on discount :)
Yehudi
8 months ago
Thanks for the massive Buttigieg discount there. I think I am ready now; see you tomorrow.
Shayku
8 months ago
You might be right, but it could be that the controversies are being floated to gauge the reaction and how they might deal with it, which would demonstrate the seriousness of their consideration.
GreenBeanEater
8 months ago
With conspiracy theories flying around in every direction, I think reality is more obvious. Everyone has been deluded by the Philly rally and the mayor tweet. However, Kamala hasn't even finished the interviews yet. She hasn't picked. It being Josh Shapiro only works if she's already picked him, because there's no way she'd pick him now after all of these controversies. I think it won't be Shapiro.
Shayku
8 months ago
Why? Without a view on the politics, it just reflects the odds like any other position.
n/a
8 months ago
Don’t know much about politics, but it’s nice to get better than 3:1 on a No in a multiway market, especially like this one.
Shayku
8 months ago
What the odds should be: Shapiro 30% - Walz 20% - Kelly 20% - Pete 15% - Beshear 10% - Pritzker 5%
Shayku
8 months ago
100% - Ezra was the canari in the coal mine for Biden
lronmexico
8 months ago
Ezra Klein featuring him this morning feels significant.
Shayku
8 months ago
I'm not sure who the person is that would vote for Harris but not Pete. And I think that drawing hateful attacks from MAGA and making them tilt is actually a great contrast strategy.
oznek
8 months ago
they will not put a gay man on the same ticket as a black woman
Shayku
8 months ago
Agreed, and it's certainly a risk, but going for value will pay off over the long run. I'm also not that hot on Kelly. Great resume, but he's the weaker public speaker of the bunch, and I think they need to go all in on being media darlings.
Andy0091
8 months ago
Pete holders how are we feeling? Very much a long shot, but definitely think the odds are higher than the current bids.
Shayku
8 months ago
Same, I have just enough Beshear to keep me even if it's him, I think I'll do the same with Waltz.
Andy0091
8 months ago
Pete holders how are we feeling? Very much a long shot, but definitely think the odds are higher than the current bids.
Shayku
8 months ago
I could go for a pump to skim a bit off the top, but I'm confident on the value. The polls show Pete has great favourability. Harris is looking at the data and going for 270, not a one-state backstop. I'm counting on the campaign to go bold and go for contrast.
Andy0091
8 months ago
Pete holders how are we feeling? Very much a long shot, but definitely think the odds are higher than the current bids.
Shayku
8 months ago
Right, that's what I thought. But I imagine a lot of this is in flux for them anyway.
Remontada
8 months ago
Per NYTIMES moments ago: "Here’s a potential veepstakes tea leaf: Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota and Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky are scheduled to host fund-raisers for the Harris campaign on Monday night, the evening before the deadline that the Harris campaign has suggested it has set to announce its vice-presidential pick. Walz will headline a fund-raiser in Minneapolis, and Beshear will be featured at one in Chicago, according to the invites."
Shayku
8 months ago
Not sure what that indicates at all - those would be negatives against them being picked?
Remontada
8 months ago
Per NYTIMES moments ago: "Here’s a potential veepstakes tea leaf: Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota and Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky are scheduled to host fund-raisers for the Harris campaign on Monday night, the evening before the deadline that the Harris campaign has suggested it has set to announce its vice-presidential pick. Walz will headline a fund-raiser in Minneapolis, and Beshear will be featured at one in Chicago, according to the invites."
Shayku
8 months ago
Pete can bring both.
nuhuh
8 months ago
The last week has shown the dems that the way to win is by letting Trump and MAGA implode from racist and sexist attacks. Dems need a swing state, but imo the next biggest priority is someone who MAGA has a very hard time attacking.
Shayku
8 months ago
The only scenario in which Kamala needs a PA bump is one where her campaign is not going well. I don't think this is the kind of campaign that should look for safety.
DarkZuckerberg - 28387
8 months ago
The VP home state bump could be a fallacy, but how many data points for this exact case do we have to say this with absolute certainty? You have a very popular governor who you would immediately host a rally with in his hometown, Philly, which happens to be the largest city in the entire state. Even Karl Rove admits that the VP pick could swing the PA vote by a point or two. Anyone who studies the electoral map can see that the entire election may very well be determined by PA. Kamala's also been friends with Shapiro for 20 years
Shayku
8 months ago
Yep. He polls the best, too.
midastouch
8 months ago
People are sleeping on Pete big time. He won the Iowa caucus during his presidential run as well, something very few expected.
Shayku
8 months ago
Why? Is there anyone who would have voted for Harris who would not vote for Pete?
n/a
8 months ago
I think Pete is wonderful, but proposing a ticket with a black-indian woman at the top and a gay man as VP would be suicidal for the Dems and they know.
Shayku
8 months ago
I see no reason for Shapiro to e so high tonight.
Shayku
8 months ago
To each our scale.
ootharju
8 months ago
if you're so confident buy more than 56 shares of Beshear
Shayku
8 months ago
Thanks, that's precisely what I thought, was wondering if I missed something, and happy to have someone else confirm it and spell it out.
GreenBeanEater
8 months ago
He cancelled his weekend plans and everyone thought it was confirmed that it was him. Now that Beshear and Pete have cancelled their weekend plans too, it’s pretty obvious it’s just the interviews, but the Shapiro price stuck. Also, people still think the Philly rally means anything about the VP pick. Kind of stupid.
Shayku
8 months ago
Why does everyone think it's Shapiro again?
Shayku
8 months ago
I mean, I might dump some around 0.20, but nothing will get it there that wouldn't also prompt me to keep it.
Shayku
8 months ago
I'm pumping but I'm not dumping.
Shayku
8 months ago
I'm pumping but I'm not dumping.
Ox8
8 months ago
Dont listen to these liars pumping pete. Obvious pump and dump beong sold by 2 known liars
Shayku
8 months ago
It's Pete. Always has been.
666-DemsAreTheDevil
8 months ago
pete up 300% in the last couple of hours. what's happened?
Shayku
8 months ago
Yea he's gay, that's why Maga will tilt. Many of them will turn hateful, and moderate voters will see the ugly in that, while the Dems will have all th space to point at the future.
babybeluga
8 months ago
why would it be pete? someone petepill me, i'm like 4 tequila sodas deep and ready to make bad decisions with my uncle's money
Shayku
8 months ago
Best name id, best on tv, best on national polls, magas will tilt.
babybeluga
8 months ago
why would it be pete? someone petepill me, i'm like 4 tequila sodas deep and ready to make bad decisions with my uncle's money
Shayku
8 months ago
A data-driven clue: https://x.com/mimsynotion/status/1818439960502190184
Shayku
8 months ago
Further arguments: One, note the campaign will travel east to west to chase the daylight and have campaign stops across the USA. So it would make sense that you'd start the furthest east - i.e., Philadelphia. Two, all the photos, videos, and audio for this initial VP reveal event will be made into paid media. So you want your top campaign talent there (Wilmington and DC are both drivable to Philadelphia).
Shayku
8 months ago
Good move. Shapiro is quite possible, but there are plenty of other scenarios.
Shayku
8 months ago
No, but it suggests the location could be based on it being a swing state.
BakktIsLive
8 months ago
Not one of the vps you mentioned was from a state considered a swing state at the time of the election though. The clear trend you've shown is that announcements tend to be in swing states, or the home state of the presidential candidate. So none of that proves anything about Shapiro.
Shayku
8 months ago
You could be right. I'm seeing theories that she announces someone else, then they make up with Shapiro on PA and they kick off the tour.
Btc101
8 months ago
All of those locations were neutral. If Harris picks someone other than Shapiro, then kicks off the rallies in Philly, it would be a HUGE slap in the face to Shapiro. There is NO way Harris would humiliate and alienate Shapiro. She very much needs his help.
Shayku
8 months ago
Agreed. The politico article says Shapiro hasn't spoken to her in a couple of weeks. And a small edge in a state is not the play - elections are fully national now, and Pete has a gift for TV interviews. The right will freak out about the 'diversity' while the dems get to stay on message with their vision.
Bobby-Highwater
8 months ago
Her aide said that she hasn't even done interviews yet. Shapiro is smug, Harris is gonna see that immediately. Can you imagine Buttigieg going into something like a VP interview and not laying out the best damned vision for her that she won't be able to say No to.
Shayku
8 months ago
Good move. Shapiro is quite possible, but there are plenty of other scenarios.
Bobby-Highwater
8 months ago
Sold my Shaprio on the rally news, bought Buttigieg.
Shayku
8 months ago
They announced that by Tuesdau, Harris will announce her VP, then on Tuesday, they kick off a series of rallies that starts in Pennsylvania. People are inferring that it means the pick is Shapiro.
Nikitka
8 months ago
Why did Shapiro spike today? 🤔
Shayku
8 months ago
No, I bought him cheap enough that I can risk it.
n/a
8 months ago
This guy just held on to Pete too long and is trying to prop the market up before dumping
Shayku
8 months ago
VP announcement locations: Vance: Wisconsin Harris: Delaware Pence: New York Kaine: Florida Ryan: Virginia Biden: Illinois Palin: Ohio Edwards: Pennsylvania Cheney: Texas Lieberman: Tennessee NONE were in the VP pick's home state
Shayku
8 months ago
https://x.com/dickersondon/status/1818321539617771552
Shayku
8 months ago
Will Harris be bold? (And see the value of money?) https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/30/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-kamala-harris-running-mate.html
Shayku
8 months ago
Guess again.
omarlittle
8 months ago
It also doesn't make that much sense from Shapiro's side to run with Kamala this election. If she wins, he needs to wait eight years. If she loses, he loses luster. Deals are being cut and it really is Walz and Beshear.
Shayku
8 months ago
https://x.com/kjcmedianet/status/1818352209446453576
Shayku
8 months ago
Someone tweeted that someone said that he got extra security. This crowd is super twitchy.
Snooty
8 months ago
Beshear makes absolutely no sense, it’s still either Shapiro or Kelly
Shayku
8 months ago
This is why Beshear is spiking? One tweet from a rando columnist, unverified and unsubstantiated?
HouseSlytherin
8 months ago
https://x.com/ClistonBrown/status/1818298514386141300
Shayku
8 months ago
He's fading out, he's not able to attack the way others do. Why is he even popping right now?
Jerbno
8 months ago
Beshear is extremely undervalued. I'm telling you guys at this point in time there's a 50%+ perchent chance it's him.
Shayku
8 months ago
I didn't mean to make you cry.
Yehudi
8 months ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president-vp-same-state-constitution/
Shayku
8 months ago
Oh sorry I mistook you for normal
Yehudi
8 months ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president-vp-same-state-constitution/
Shayku
8 months ago
To me the problem is not the administrative hurdle, they can get around that. The problem is doubling down on Californian progressivism, which people don't like across the spectrum. It opens a very valid line of attack for the right.
Yehudi
8 months ago
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/president-vp-same-state-constitution/
Shayku
8 months ago
Incel.
haluk
8 months ago
Which has the biggest dick which Kamala can blow occasionaly
Shayku
8 months ago
Yep. I find the arguments for state-specific votes a bit weak, since Pete does that on a national level.
MilkyJoe
8 months ago
No debate will result in Pete Buttigieg as VP. Kamala is behind in the polls, she will need a VP who can literally make news. That person is p-e-t-e
Shayku
8 months ago
That shortlist came from Bloomberg, and they added him and Raimondo, after other outlets reported on it. I think it's because the vetting process for those in the admin is different.
n/a
8 months ago
Yeah I thought it was gonna be Buttigieg before the short-list even came out. He's gifted, probably the only time historically where the VP spot will actually make a difference to the election
Shayku
8 months ago
It'll help tie the GOP to people like you.
haluk
8 months ago
a faggot like pete getting handpicked as VP would mean like an instant Trump popular vote victory
Shayku
8 months ago
People are seriously sleeping on Buttigieg.
Shayku
8 months ago
"America is not ready for Buttigieg" is internalized bigotry. Who is not ready, exactly? Let them make the argument themselves.
airi20025
8 months ago
u betting on a gay
Shayku
8 months ago
Agreed, Pete is front and center, and being masterful in the media. He won't just win a state - he'll lift the ticket country-wide.
PolyPredictor2
8 months ago
Hi all, I was shocked to see Pete at 3%. He is all over the airwaves and it is established in political science already that swing state VP picks don't really make that much difference. Kamala needs Gen Z vote to win Michigan. Pete's sexuality will not be an issue. Woke-ism war cries were shown to be ineffective with Ron Desantis. The electorate wants common sense. Pete is the king of that
Shayku
8 months ago
Yep!
Fighter-Mcgee
8 months ago
a bet on buttigieg is a bet that harris will not choose according to trying to get a one up on any particular swing state. nate silver already detailed why this strategy is ineffective. for a campaign that needs to be hard and fast, harris needs an executer. pete can spin gold out of nothing, he can manufacture virality like on one else out there
Shayku
8 months ago
1- I don't have 750 cash right now. 2- I don't know how it works, are you just going to dispute and then I lose 750?
Laura
8 months ago
So what are you waiting for?
Shayku
8 months ago
Not neutral either, but I agree, and in the current environment, there are plenty of news cycles left for him to float up from #4 to top 3.
GrannyWeatherwax
8 months ago
Kelly is a more likely candidate than Buttigieg, I'm not denying that. Just not 10 times as likely and so on average, I think Buttigieg is the better investment.
Shayku
8 months ago
Yea he endorsed her in Portland during a speech, which he then followed up with an interview and a tweet, but the trolls here keep obfuscating.
NewShack
8 months ago
Several sources say Sanders endorsed Harris yesterday
Shayku
8 months ago
Right, in this context, him saying "we have to do everything we can to elect Kamala Harris" fulfills that.
vote.fun
8 months ago
@Shayku go back and read the definition you agree with......... "formal - I fully endorse (= agree with) everything the Chairperson has said."
Shayku
8 months ago
It doesn't get much more formal than standing on a stage in front of thousands of people, saying "our job is to elect Kamala Harris as the next president", then repeating that in an interview and a tweet.
vote.fun
8 months ago
@Shayku you forgot to read the sub definition of FORMAL..... LMFAOO
Shayku
8 months ago
Uh-huh.
vote.fun
8 months ago
just fyi he makes it clear in this video his support for kamala over trump is not a formal endorsement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5f0wvZvqg&list=RDNSqx5f0wvZvqg&start_radio=1
Shayku
8 months ago
Sounds like we agree.
Laura
8 months ago
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/endorse
Shayku
8 months ago
I guess we'll have to let judges decide when she gets nominated by August 7th.
vote.fun
8 months ago
just fyi he makes it clear in this video his support for kamala over trump is not a formal endorsement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5f0wvZvqg&list=RDNSqx5f0wvZvqg&start_radio=1
Shayku
8 months ago
Sure, but that was before the formal endorsement in Portland.
vote.fun
8 months ago
just fyi he makes it clear in this video his support for kamala over trump is not a formal endorsement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5f0wvZvqg&list=RDNSqx5f0wvZvqg&start_radio=1
Shayku
8 months ago
Agreed. They're quite close, too. And he has both executive experience as mayor, and federal administration experience. And he's excellent on TV, one of the only dems who goes on Fox. Of course, his sexual orientation can create doubts, but I hope they'll see that it would be self-defeating to exclude him on that basis, and that being unrestrained and bold is a much better look in the face of sexism, racism and homophobia. When the question is whether America is ready for this, the answer should be that "America is ready for itself. These people represent the diversity at the core of American life."
Knightinshiningarmour
8 months ago
My rational mind says its gonna be one of the frontrunners, but my gut is sure it will end up being Pete. He's a once in a generation politician, I think Kamala sees that
Shayku
8 months ago
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/presidential/3101988/sanders-endorses-harris-for-president/
Shayku
8 months ago
https://www.mainepublic.org/news/2024-07-28/vermont-senator-bernie-sanders-endorses-vice-president-kamala-harris-at-portland-rally-saturday
Shayku
8 months ago
The endorsement tweet came after that video.
Laura
8 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSanoug_B9E It's very unlikely he's going to change his language any time soon. In the video he says "I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that Kamala Harris is elected" while at the same time withholding his formal endorsement. Compare his endorsement for Hillary in 2016: "I have come here to make it as clear as possible why I am endorsing Hillary Clinton and why she must become our next president."
Shayku
8 months ago
No it's ok, he already endorsed.
vote.fun
8 months ago
The anti establishment politician has 3 days to endorse someone that came out of the most establishment anti democratic primary in history....lol
Shayku
8 months ago
Yea this is the tweet that these two refuse to see as an endorsement. It comes after he didn't endorse her, and is an endorsement, but the 'No' side argues it isn't, despite the fact that the Obama market resolved on something similar.
homosexual
8 months ago
Bernie Sanders endorsed Kamala Harris: https://x.com/BernieSanders/status/1817243928548319732
Shayku
8 months ago
Bloomberg, original source of the shortlist, updated to say Pete and Raimondo were in the mix for vetting.
Yanoya4sure
8 months ago
The shortlist is a device used to measure sentiment imo
Shayku
8 months ago
There already was, we're good.
Whome
8 months ago
There will never be a "formal" announcement from a guy who wears a KMart parka and homemade mittens to a presidential inaguration. It's not his style.
Shayku
8 months ago
The market had resolved before that, on a tweet similar to Bernie's.
Whome
8 months ago
If you want to know what a "formal endorsement" looks like, read this. https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2024/07/obama.png
Shayku
8 months ago
He's right.
vote.fun
8 months ago
put your brain back in your head
Shayku
8 months ago
Just a friendly guyy.
minji
8 months ago
are you a woman?
Shayku
8 months ago
Yea he means the probability that a state will be the tipping point.
DonaldRump
8 months ago
Nate Silver: Full model coming ~Tuesday but here are current tipping state probabilities for Harris-Trump: PA: 30% MI: 23% WI: 12% NC: 10% GA: 8% AZ: 4% FL: 3% NV: 2%
Shayku
8 months ago
That's wrong, he has said 'We must elect Kamala Harris.' That's an endorsement.
diogenes
8 months ago
Bernie has till now only said that he will do everything to help Harris defeat Trump. That's not an endorsement.
Shayku
8 months ago
I think you mean antizionist. Palestinians are also semites.
Yanoya4sure
8 months ago
Kowtowing to antisemetic voters on your VP sets a tone for the prospective presidency. Will she cave to them on every issue? A path to victory requires moderation.
Shayku
8 months ago
That's a good theory. Still a few news cycles to go though.
Yanoya4sure
8 months ago
The shortlist is a device used to measure sentiment imo
Shayku
8 months ago
The leaders are overvalued. It seems based on media stories echoing their own narratives, without much basis.
Shayku
8 months ago
Just to freak the Trump holders out: Fivethirtyeight has been heavily criticized for their electoral model post-Silver. It is very possible that they use this chance to tweak it, notably to reduce the weight or nature of fundamentals. But even then, it's hard to imagine a scenario where they put Harris ahead.
Shayku
8 months ago
ABC reported that he endorsed her.
diogenes
8 months ago
Bernie hasn't endorsed Harris yet. He is waiting for Harris to give him the same policy assurances that Biden gave him before. Until Bernie formally announcing that he is "endorsing Harris" this shouldn't be resolved to "Yes". https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-hasn-t-endorsed-kamala-harris-yet-215787589823
Shayku
8 months ago
You know very well that video precedes this debate, the tweet and the rally.
Laura
8 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5f0wvZvqg If you want a clear example that he strongly supports her but made it clear he will not formally endorse her until he gets certain reassurances that he has repeatedly says he must get.
Shayku
8 months ago
As I've said, all my cash is placed for now and I'm not moving it. Maybe if some markets cash out I'll do it.
Laura
8 months ago
Guys, argue all you want, or propose a resolution. We've discussed this and in 24 hours no one has proposed a resolution for good reason. Propose or you have no claim (which you don't)
Shayku
8 months ago
Does polymarket have judges that make the call? When Harris gets nominated, is someone at Polymarket going to look at this and decide one way or the other?
Shayku
8 months ago
Hahaha great way to lose PA
SportsRecord
8 months ago
This just in: Donald Trump “plans to park [JD] Vance in Pennsylvania for the next four months…” This confirms that Pennsylvania is at the top of the GOP’s list as they work to flip the Senate and the White House.
Shayku
8 months ago
Can't wait to see the GOP attacks all based on racism, sexism and homophobia, all based on name calling. They do that already and it's not exactly converting new votes. Meanwhile Kamala and Pete can pivot to their vision for the future. I can't imagine a better contrast.
n/a
8 months ago
Ah yes... the winning ticket...a woman of color and a homosexual man against a guy riding on assasination attempt votes.
Shayku
8 months ago
It says nothing. All my cash is placed.
ActDrew
8 months ago
nobody has even proposed a resolution, so that tells you everything you need to know
Shayku
8 months ago
It was a big deal back then because he had run against them. Not this time around, when the entire democratic party has already endorsed. It has little bearing now.
vote.fun
8 months ago
"He did not formally endorse Vice President Kamala Harris, but told CBS 13 News that he hopes Harris defeats Trump if she is the Democratic nominee for the 2024 election." https://wgme.com/news/local/sen-bernie-sanders-rallies-in-portland-urges-support-for-kamala-harris-against-trump
Shayku
8 months ago
That's from before the rally comment that ABC covered as "Bernie Sanders endorses Harris"
vote.fun
8 months ago
not formal, literally said hes withholding for concessions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5f0wvZvqg
Shayku
8 months ago
He didn't mention Trump at all, he said "Kamala Harris must become our next president"
n/a
8 months ago
Sounds like he's making a tactical choice to defeat Trump, not endorsing Kamala to be the Democratic Nominee for President.
Shayku
8 months ago
ABC News titled their mini-article "Bernie Sanders endorses Harris" - https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/biden-drops-out-updates/?id=112113289&entryId=112335174
fundamentalmisunderstanding
8 months ago
the wmtw article is a small town station and it's the only one that declared a "formal endorsement". I think if it were truly a formal endorsement, it would be widely reported as such by big news outlets. The abc article is a start, but it's the only major one and doesn't say "formal".
Shayku
8 months ago
No. It's owned by ABC, but it tries to take a neutral, data-driven approach, but fails in some ways that will actually favor Trump.
abee-Capital-Management
8 months ago
This forecast is tendentious to democrats ?
Shayku
8 months ago
But I think wetard needs Bernie to show up to his house in person and tell him.
milize
8 months ago
https://www.wmtw.com/article/bernie-sanders-formally-endorses-kamala-harris-for-president-at-portland-rally/61717060 Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders formally endorses Vice President Kamala Harris for president at Portland rally lol it's over No bros
Shayku
8 months ago
WOOP!
milize
8 months ago
so this is pretty definitive
Shayku
8 months ago
He would be undermining his political power
vote.fun
8 months ago
imagine being a retard who has no idea bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT and wont endorse her without major concessions first
Shayku
8 months ago
This says Friday was 55 - but maybe you have a better source? https://deadline.com/2024/07/box-office-deadpool-wolverine-1236022761/
Mrc4t987
8 months ago
Prediction: Preview: 38.5 Friday: 54 Saturday: 58 Sunday: 42 Total: 192
Shayku
8 months ago
I'd love to see him explain that he endorsed her as President, but not as the nominee.
n/a
8 months ago
Bernie hasn't said anything about the democratic nomination, just the presidency.
Shayku
8 months ago
You're close so far, 38.5, 55...
Mrc4t987
8 months ago
Prediction: Preview: 38.5 Friday: 54 Saturday: 58 Sunday: 42 Total: 192
Shayku
8 months ago
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/
Shayku
8 months ago
I expect he will.
Paul4President
8 months ago
I really need Buttigieg to win this so I can turn my last .75c into $8 and buy myself a sandwich
Shayku
8 months ago
'as soon as' 6 days.
vote.fun
8 months ago
6 days https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-campaign-dnc-virtual-roll-call/
Shayku
8 months ago
'as soon as August 1st' ... but as late as August 7th.
vote.fun
8 months ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-campaign-dnc-virtual-roll-call/
Shayku
8 months ago
August 7 is in 11 days.
vote.fun
8 months ago
gl you have 6 days for him to do it
Shayku
8 months ago
He just wants to look like he's getting concessions on middle class issues, but she already stated it as her focus. It also helps make her seem less liberal that she has to 'negotiate' with that wing of the party.
Shayku
8 months ago
I agree that he's undervalued. I don't think he'll get it, but it's a cheap moonshot to buy.
Demosthenes
8 months ago
Pritzker is definitely undervalued, that's for sure. Crazy that Whitmer and Hillary are ahead when we know Pritzker is being vetted.
Shayku
8 months ago
Good pivot.
Yanoya4sure
8 months ago
Shapiro had an interview today where he said he stands for everything Kamala said in her statement after the Netanyahu meeting. He said he supports two-state, condemned Netanyahu's handling of the war, and reiterated the goal of peace in the region and minimizing Gaza suffering. The comments came after the union rally today.
Shayku
8 months ago
That's definitely the safe approach, but I think it would be a self-defeating choice for a campaign that should be bold and unrestrained. With the tone they've adopted so far, that kind of diversity ticket would fit, and it would invite attacks that make the right seem petty.
MSGRallySpeaker
8 months ago
Buttigieg is a good talker, but with Kamala being Female/Black/Indian, they will want to ticket-balance with a middle-aged white guy imo.
Shayku
8 months ago
Not impossible, but they all seem to have happy families, unlike the other side.
airi20025
8 months ago
they're gay and doign the sex
Shayku
8 months ago
I think Kelly and Shapiro are overvalued here. The media keeps calling them frontrunners, but there hasn't been tangible basis for it, they're just repeating each other's analysis. Buttigieg has highest name ID, and him and Walz have been killing it on TV.
Shayku
8 months ago
They're doing a fundraiser together - https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1816579067698626796
FoxyLegend
8 months ago
i go to pilates with chasten buttigieg. after class i saw on his phone he was messaging kamala's husband doug. no idea what words were exchanged between them, and it's probably just that they're friends or something
Shayku
8 months ago
No, Michelle doesn't want to, and he'd be seen as the 'actual' president - very undermining to the new generation.
n/a
8 months ago
Barack Obama for VP.
Shayku
8 months ago
https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1816579067698626796
Shayku
8 months ago
Totally. It shows that there's at least as many conspiracy meme lords here as there are following democratic party politics.
Demosthenes
8 months ago
Pritzker = Hillary is acc hilarious lmao. He is a top contender internally
Shayku
8 months ago
Shhh I'm trying to buy more
thismyaccount99
8 months ago
Pritzker is insane value
Shayku
8 months ago
Pritzker is deliciously underpriced. He's on the shortlist. When he gets his next media cycle, he'll pop hard. Get'em while they're cheap!
Shayku
8 months ago
With his stance on Israel? Not sure.
PolyPredictor
8 months ago
I feel like this is the Republic VP market all over again. It was always JD Vance but people tried to push others up instead. This was always going to be Shapiro, gotta block out the noise
Shayku
8 months ago
What do you suggest we base it on? Some meme you found?
Cryptochrema
8 months ago
I have no idea how you validate the yes of this as the outcome. Just because it appears that the broadcast is occurring, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t pre-recorded.
Shayku
8 months ago
I'm not as high on Kelly as the market, but in this particular election, I would think that risking a seat is a less important factor than in previous elections. There's too much of an 'all-in' feel to this one.
FBInformationsider
8 months ago
Mark Kelly would be a formidable pick but do they really want to risk a Senate seat?
Shayku
8 months ago
CNN reports it was live, see above.
Car
8 months ago
Idk how we are able to prove its live or not
Shayku
8 months ago
38 min ago Jill Biden and children were in the Oval Office as Biden addressed the nation From CNN's Sam Fossum President Joe Biden speaks during an address to the nation about his decision to not seek reelection as his son Hunter Biden, Ashley Biden's husband Howard Krein, Biden's daughter Ashley Biden and US First Lady Jill Biden listen, in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, DC, on July 24. President Joe Biden speaks during an address to the nation about his decision to not seek reelection as his son Hunter Biden, Ashley Biden's husband Howard Krein, Biden's daughter Ashley Biden and US First Lady Jill Biden listen, in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, DC, on July 24. Jim Watson/AFP/Getty Images First Lady Jill Biden, Hunter Biden, and some of President Joe Biden’s grandchildren sat in the Oval Office as he addressed the nation in prime time to explain his decision not to seek reelection, according to the press pool in the room. Ashley Biden, the president’s daughter, sat next to the first lady. Some of the president’s top advisers, including Mike Donilon and Steve Ricchetti, were also in the room. White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and communications director Ben LaBolt also watched from a monitor in the back of the room.
Shayku
8 months ago
CNN reports it was live.
Shayku
8 months ago
"Jill Biden and children were in the Oval Office as Biden addressed the nation"
Shayku
8 months ago
CNN reports it was live.
Shayku
8 months ago
There's a photo of him and Jill under the boom mic
Shayku
8 months ago
At this URL : https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-speech-harris-trump-election-07-24-24/index.html
Shayku
8 months ago
At this URL : https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-speech-harris-trump-election-07-24-24/index.html
Shayku
8 months ago
CNN reports it was live.
Shayku
8 months ago
CNN reports it was live.
Shayku
8 months ago
Buttigieg is a known quantity.
MSGRallySpeaker
8 months ago
its not impossible but with how bad Vance has been performing as the "young guy", and for other ticket balancing reasons, I think theyre going with old straight white dude with more resume.
Shayku
8 months ago
This would play so well in response to the homophibia - https://x.com/alexchristy17/status/1720428208183472384
airi20025
8 months ago
mark kelly easiest win ever. appeals to not just democrats but republican too. buttigeig is a gay they wont pick him. shapiro is a jew they wont pick him. its cooper and kelly and kelly stands out easily.
Shayku
8 months ago
Wow, look at the volumes on each side of the Buttigieg spread.
Shayku
8 months ago
I'm just covering my initial costs to be in the money. I'm not saying it's 100%, but I'm saying there's a definite case for it, and a narrative to build around it. Let the right cry 'woke' and 'DEI' - those insults will land flat when the democrats stop self-sabotaging by telling themselves that the people aren't ready. The people are diverse.
luke2drippy
8 months ago
I would like to thank everyone buying up Pete yes shares for the free money. Because obviously the Dems are going to try and boost their chances of electing the first female president by *checks notes* also running a gay man with her
Shayku
8 months ago
Yea, it's a 'own the right' campaign. Make MAGA angry again.
luke2drippy
8 months ago
I would like to thank everyone buying up Pete yes shares for the free money. Because obviously the Dems are going to try and boost their chances of electing the first female president by *checks notes* also running a gay man with her
Shayku
8 months ago
Pete already getting endorsements - https://x.com/CNNThisMorning/status/1816112217286185285
Shayku
8 months ago
https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1816113652333744393
Shayku
8 months ago
No, there's breaking news that the campaign is considering him.
bxb
8 months ago
Someone just market bought Buttigieg taking it from 4% to 36% lmao!
Shayku
8 months ago
It's mostly about people respecting him for what he did.
user3269673686
8 months ago
fuck it why not - maybe he recovers and gives a solid address tomorrow night
Shayku
8 months ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgVzuhDrTvk
Shayku
8 months ago
He doesn't need to be vetted - he's already in the administration. They have more than they need on file already.
Shayku
8 months ago
Buttigieg at 0.03! Nice.
Shayku
8 months ago
Buttigieg at 0.03! Nice.
Shayku
8 months ago
Where do you get your news?
l987
8 months ago
Since she's probably not the nominee, there's one obvious choice in the VP market
Shayku
8 months ago
I was thinking that at first, but the more I look at it, the more I think the democrats need to be bold and out front. A ticket with a woman of color and a gay dad would contrast beautifully with the Hulk Hogan energy on the other side.
BigMike2024
8 months ago
A White-Irish Astronaut and Navy Pilot captain. Can you think of a better person to balance out Kamaltoe?
Shayku
8 months ago
A blitz primary is defined as Joe Biden withdrawing from the race, and multiple candidates are given the chance to become the Democratic nominee for President of the United States in an open field.
n/a
9 months ago
Hey Siri, what is a primary?
Shayku
9 months ago
Thanks, I suppose that is a possibility, but I wouldn't put it at 30%.
MSGRallySpeaker
9 months ago
Someone with too much money like Bloomberg that has no foresight to realize that its another round of setting his own money on fire. Other than that, probably no one
Shayku
9 months ago
I'm curious, who do people think will show up? It seems like political suicide at this point.
Shayku
9 months ago
And then sleep next to an angry woman because she told you clearly she didn't want it?
UnofficialDonaldTrump
9 months ago
If I were Obama, I would hesitate and instead endorse Michelle Obama as she is a more promising ticket against Trump (per statistical data)
Shayku
9 months ago
Haha makes sense
Apsalar
9 months ago
Under this definition, I believe a blitz primary has already begun: "A blitz primary is defined as Joe Biden withdrawing from the race, and multiple candidates are given the chance to become the Democratic nominee for President of the United States in an open field."
Shayku
9 months ago
So propose a resolution.
Apsalar
9 months ago
Under this definition, I believe a blitz primary has already begun: "A blitz primary is defined as Joe Biden withdrawing from the race, and multiple candidates are given the chance to become the Democratic nominee for President of the United States in an open field."
Shayku
9 months ago
Yea, but like Newsom, she said she wouldn't run against Harris. And like Newsom, she's likely eyeing a clean run in 2028 or 2032.
n/a
9 months ago
Gretchen Whitmer is fast emerging as the Dem's most likely candidate. She is young, capable, white, female, & tested. Check out https://x.com/Gretch4Pres for more on $Gretch (CA: 7ay4X2zcHQRSSZd8NtzNwxqzLtwxoCCR)
Shayku
9 months ago
Why would Michelle Obama want to run?
halfbaked
9 months ago
Kamala seems more likely even though it makes no sense. No word from Michelle :(
Shayku
9 months ago
Agreed, but there'll be a few swings between 'other' and 'kamala'.
rungmc
9 months ago
smart money is pouncing on Other here
Shayku
9 months ago
Walz is very underpriced right now
Shayku
9 months ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/rep-betty-mccollum-biden-withdraw-tim-walz-vice-president/
Shayku
9 months ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/rep-betty-mccollum-biden-withdraw-tim-walz-vice-president/
Shayku
9 months ago
Shouldn't there be an 'other' choice here?
Shayku
9 months ago
It resolves to Yes. I don't see how it's ambiguous.
adrus
9 months ago
there should be a penalty for ambiguous rules and/or rule bug bounty
Shayku
9 months ago
Not sure Trump would want someone that smart around.
Shayku
9 months ago
Read the rules - "A serious medical condition is broadly defined as a condition in the severity category of Parkinson's, Dementia, or Cancer."
ClockworkMango
9 months ago
Covid def counts, why isn't everyone buying yes he litterally has been diagnosed
Shayku
9 months ago
Some of use just enjoy this. You seem bitter.
n/a
9 months ago
BIG MONEY $5 BET, watch out, this guy is an insider
Shayku
9 months ago
The problem is having two women on the ticket. It'll turn off a lot of people.
Yfdtu6
9 months ago
If Kamala replaces Biden, Whitmer would be by far the best VP pick. She wins Michigan and sets the narrative as the "woman-power" ticket
Shayku
9 months ago
Trump's shift to electability points to Rubio - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/us/politics/trump-vp-vance-rubio-burgum.html
Shayku
9 months ago
Ben Carson was going to tell us, but then he remembered his luggage.
goosewrangler
9 months ago
? You guys still haven't heard huh
Shayku
9 months ago
How are you feeling after he didn't announce in Doral?
FoxKHTML
9 months ago
Trump on Hannity tonight regarding his VP pick: “We will be announcing soon and everyone will be very happy.. [it’s] somebody that helps you get elected and there’s nothing wrong with that” IT’S OVER VANCE TARDS
Shayku
9 months ago
Woo!
FoxKHTML
9 months ago
Trump on Hannity tonight regarding his VP pick: “We will be announcing soon and everyone will be very happy.. [it’s] somebody that helps you get elected and there’s nothing wrong with that” IT’S OVER VANCE TARDS
Shayku
9 months ago
Wow, Rubio is a steal here! He's on the shortlist, and Trump is holding a rally in his hometown one week before the RNC. Trump will benefit from having a latino as a running mate when he puts the focus on immigration policy.
Shayku
9 months ago
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05/politics/kamala-harris-democrats-biden/index.html
Shayku
9 months ago
No love for Josh Shapiro?
Shayku
9 months ago
Wish we had Whitmer outside of 'other'
Shayku
9 months ago
https://civicmedia.us/shows/special-broadcasts/2024/07/04/exclusive-interview-w-president-joe-biden-hour-1
Shayku
9 months ago
There's a letter going around, and it's the final push they'll need to change things. A letter is the occasion to both generously thank Biden for his work, and invite him to step aside. It also solves the collective action issue that democrats have. I expect it to come Friday, so that it buries the news cycle of the ABC interview.
Shayku
9 months ago
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/03/house-democrats-biden-debate-00166533
Shayku
9 months ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-03/biden-debate-disaster-will-cost-them-house-and-senate-democrats-fear?embedded-checkout=true