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de5nuts
9 months ago
except they reference a token in the official rules. So the argument that its not a coin isn't really a good one, people have been debating over token on this market for months but its clear WLFI is a ERC-20 token on the blockchain.
Fredi9999WASP🐝
9 months ago
People thinking that the chances of uma voting no is 5 % is crazy
de5nuts
9 months ago
that is actually the worst point I've seen on here lmao, a coin is a coin and it was deployed in every sense of the word
Fredi9999WASP🐝
9 months ago
People thinking that the chances of uma voting no is 5 % is crazy
de5nuts
9 months ago
that the sale doesn't necessarily mean token launch/transfer.
Eyebrows
9 months ago
Not heavily involved here but what is the logic for no: the idea that it won't actually luanch tomorrow when it is stated it will? That it won't have a token or something? Clearly Trump is "involved".
de5nuts
9 months ago
As a former top Yes holder and someone who's traded this market for a few months Yes holders should just be aware that the WLFI team is aware of the market and are prone to shenanigans. I don't think the volatility is over, if you hold size be careful but I'm still in spirit with the Yes team.
de5nuts
9 months ago
Don't really see a reason not to announce you will send out the tokens unless you're not going to it until later
de5nuts
9 months ago
Never seen someone spew so much bullshit while launching a fork that just sits on top of another protocol
de5nuts
9 months ago
It's hilarious how these guys don't understand their audience. Nobody wants to hear boomer real estate guys teach a crypto audience about crypto
de5nuts
9 months ago
I respect the determination
aenews2
9 months ago
Good luck holding Y when they say they are launching November 5 or date unknown in the Spaces tomorrow
de5nuts
9 months ago
they care about when they receive the money for the sale of the tokens, the actual deployment isn't really as important I'd guess from a legal standpoint. Which is why I sold off 40k shares at a profit in this market
Mountainman
9 months ago
I have been in this market for a while now... Everyone knew that the market would settle YES if WLFI token was released. As the chances of NO coming to fruition have been fading over the last few weeks, it has been hysterical to watch the excuses constantly change to why NO still has a chance, and every single one go up in flames. Now that there are no excuses left, underwater whales are using sock puppet accounts to say "Well UMA cheated on the "Will Israel invade Lebanon" market so hopefully they will cheat on this one too.” Get fucked scammers, there is no way you can argue this one. This will settle YES.
de5nuts
9 months ago
meh there's a decent chance they take the money for the sale but release the token after the election. Don't think its a favorite but its clear they're being coy
Mountainman
9 months ago
I have been in this market for a while now... Everyone knew that the market would settle YES if WLFI token was released. As the chances of NO coming to fruition have been fading over the last few weeks, it has been hysterical to watch the excuses constantly change to why NO still has a chance, and every single one go up in flames. Now that there are no excuses left, underwater whales are using sock puppet accounts to say "Well UMA cheated on the "Will Israel invade Lebanon" market so hopefully they will cheat on this one too.” Get fucked scammers, there is no way you can argue this one. This will settle YES.
de5nuts
9 months ago
well well well looks like they rushing to get this done before the election
de5nuts
9 months ago
there is also another coin that possibly could be win on top of the NFT's.https://x.com/__MrAnderson___/status/1840249462125457498
de5nuts
9 months ago
So knowing the token will launch and you're in the same situation win or lose why would you risk having no draw after you potentially lose? If they win and re-write the laws they can launch 4 more projects, but in the case they lose they have one chance to maximize return and that's pre Nov. 4th
de5nuts
9 months ago
They will be launching a token, from a legal perspective if you launch it pre election and win you will control the SEC so nothings gonna happen, if you launch it and lose you don't and either way will have to carve out a safe way to launch.
de5nuts
9 months ago
They will be launching a token, from a legal perspective if you launch it pre election and win you will control the SEC so nothings gonna happen, if you launch it and lose you don't and either way will have to carve out a safe way to launch.
de5nuts
9 months ago
don't sell this time, believe in something
Car
9 months ago
1 more step
de5nuts
9 months ago
so close I can taste it
Car
9 months ago
Almost
de5nuts
9 months ago
Trump dropping a watch collection, tik tok No holders, tik tok
de5nuts
10 months ago
What happens if Harris lead continues to widen? i'd imagine if you're running this project and crypto looks healthy plus Trumps odds getting steeper you have no incentive to hold the launch.
de5nuts
10 months ago
NFT's are literal meme coins with a picture, no difference other than added elements
monkeyboy77
10 months ago
are people forgetting what NFT stands for? T = token
de5nuts
10 months ago
https://x.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/1837491227266044297
de5nuts
10 months ago
Trump family grifts are accelerating and crypto market looks healthy. No holders must be sweating BALLS
de5nuts
10 months ago
Trump family grifts are accelerating and crypto market looks healthy. No holders must be sweating BALLS
de5nuts
10 months ago
No side sitting on profits where we know Trump is involved and a token will be launched is wild. They've already launched test tokens incognito, and even if they TGE post election (they won't) tokens will be created and distributed to insiders before that.
de5nuts
10 months ago
Once the token is created the market resolves to YES. Date of public sale or TGE is not the decider for this market, its deployment which will happen pre TGE
bfarmer
10 months ago
plenty of deleted comments from people who dont understand a TGE
de5nuts
10 months ago
do you think Trump is taking the time to promote and court political risk to not monetize as fast as possible? Who wants to invest and TGE if he loses?
Lawyered.eth
10 months ago
I think what we're missing is that either way, unless he gives a date for the token tonight, this is going back closer to 50/50 pending a further update.
de5nuts
10 months ago
The rule of thumb is if you have a good project that will generate income you delay the token launch, if you don't have income or a product but have a brand better to launch token and sell the rumor before people see the news.
Amok
10 months ago
I asked ChatGPT how long it estimates the release to take from whitepaper stage. It said 6-24 months and mentioned these steps: "Development and Testing (3 to 18 months or more): Core Development: Building the blockchain, smart contracts, and underlying technology is crucial. This phase can take several months depending on how complex the platform is (e.g., creating a new blockchain from scratch versus building a token on an existing platform like Ethereum). Testnet: Before the official launch, projects often release a testnet to ensure the code works as intended. This period can last a few months as bugs are discovered and fixed. Regulatory and Compliance (1 to 6 months or more): Depending on the region, projects need to ensure they comply with regulations, such as anti-money laundering (AML) and know-your-customer (KYC) rules. This can extend timelines, especially if multiple jurisdictions are involved."
de5nuts
10 months ago
So you're argument is the Trump's got more to lose than gain by launching a token. Take that one step further, they've announced they are launching a token/project and are already going ot take any social hit so why wouldn't they monetize? Launching as President has legal risks if he wins, if he loses no one is going to care about Trump branded project.
MrKangaroo
10 months ago
I understand the yes holders here, but keep in mind these markets will only resolve if WLF release a cryptocurrency within 59 days. Trump’s got a lot more to lose with a coin launch than to gain and winning the election is far more profitable for him than any other business venture. Trump and his family have a major stake in the project, therefore his campaign staff (300-500 full-time employees) would most definitely advise on a post-election launch. As far as the NFT argument goes, markets don’t resolve on technicalities.
de5nuts
10 months ago
from experience there is no way that PM will rule that WLFI token when live isn't a trump launched token in the spirit of this bet. Respect the conviction though
Naturalnoob
10 months ago
I place this bet base on my comprehension of the rules of this market. Knowing that nft doesn’t count. With conviction of multiple reasonings I have so much so that I don’t have to rant it out all day to get validation. Toxic arguements hoping to sway the price so that some of you could sell early is not my style. I will hold this till resolution day and quietly realize full equity of my bet.
de5nuts
10 months ago
It's a clear logical falacy. "some people" who suspend their campaign mean drop out doesn't mean that he dropped out. It has to be all and complete and clear to meet the bar. Prediction markets should be specific and detailed not general and vague
SaulG
10 months ago
It should be notable that suspending is legally differentiated from withdrawal, and the rules are written with regards to withdrawing. Unfortunately, Poly's "additional context" does not follow the rules of the markets re RFK. Instead, they adopt a very liberal "spirit" of the rules approach, which tipped the RFK markets from 20C YED to 99C YES. They also should have frozen the markets and set to reopen at a particular time (while providing this unserious "context").
de5nuts
10 months ago
It's a great bet to make, keep buying YES boys
EmpirePending
10 months ago
I don’t understand people that buy yes on all markets at like 95-99 for a couple few percent gain. I understand most of these markets are very likely to go in your favour so you built up 1% here 3% there and it snowballs. But one bad result and you lose everything you’ve been working towards. Losing a 95% market will happen eventually so to me it’s not worth the risk of losing everything?
de5nuts
10 months ago
Running a bad race isn't the same as dropping out, your level and skill of competition isn't what's being bet on
de5nuts
10 months ago
If you are running a marathon and stop running and sit within the course you have suspended your race. Even if people finish and you get up and start running and finish the race you have never withdrawn from the race, you have only taken a break
de5nuts
10 months ago
If you are running a marathon and stop running and sit within the course you have suspended your race. Even if people finish and you get up and start running and finish the race you have never withdrawn from the race, you have only taken a break
bko
10 months ago
A campaign is to enter (something, such as a horse or boat) in competition. A competition is a contest between rivals. A campaign is not a competition. He suspended the campaign. He did not withdraw from the competition. In this case the competition is the presidential race mentioned in the original rules.
de5nuts
10 months ago
Running a bad campaign isn't equal to dropping out. RFK saying he doesn't see a path to victory and withdrawing from a few states is not a good strategy to win an election, but its not equal to dropping out. Especially considering his statements that he isn't dropping out and people can still vote for him.
de5nuts
10 months ago
If polymarket goes rogue its users will drop them, in gambling markets customers don't like an unfair confusing process
Vulture
10 months ago
If UMA goes rogue, then Polymarket will just drop them. Because UMA is dead in the water without Poly, they have strong incentives to comply.
de5nuts
10 months ago
many politicians have said they support but don't endorse Trump. The two aren't mutually inclusive, you can support without endorse and there is clear precedent of that which is probably why Bernie market ruled NO
de5nuts
10 months ago
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ayotte-tries-supporting-trump-without-endorsing-him-msna844471
de5nuts
10 months ago
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ayotte-tries-supporting-trump-without-endorsing-him-msna844471
de5nuts
10 months ago
how can you get in touch with them?
432
10 months ago
Go to UMA discord and talk to borntoolate and Kevin | UMA .The two are basicly the decission makers of the dispute.
de5nuts
10 months ago
at worst there needs to be more information and transparency into why and how this context was added and the timing. They are swaying markets in real time and this creates huge conflict of interest potential without transparency at minimum
de5nuts
10 months ago
The context post is against the spirit of the markets and decentralized process. It puts the finger on the scale and actually from the outside looks lazy with the same context added to multiple markets with different wordings and details for resolution
de5nuts
10 months ago
The context post is against the spirit of the markets and decentralized process. It puts the finger on the scale and actually from the outside looks lazy with the same context added to multiple markets with different wordings and details for resolution
Au-gust
10 months ago
The campaign have repeatedly come out and said that they are not endorsing the Trump campaign, even after the presser and audience with Trump. PM's context flies in the face of its commitment to decentralized resolution. Adding context defacto changes the rules ex post, completely bad faith procedures.
de5nuts
10 months ago
GiggityTitties the hero we needed
LMNOP
10 months ago
Ah yes, GiggityTitties, that bastion of journalistic integrity.
de5nuts
11 months ago
We have multiple statements and fact that contradict each other in regards to an endorsement. Since this market clearly outlines a formal endorsement the contradictory elements should withold this market from resolving, more time will give the campaign a chance to clarify on the record. If by September 1st there has been no clarification I think given the nature of politics and endorsements without additional facts the default should be NO.
de5nuts
11 months ago
did Nikki Haley still encourage her voters to vote for her on some ballots? A primary is different than a Presidential election as the process is staggered and ongoing.
BlackSky123
11 months ago
Nikki Haley remained on the ballot, and still resolved YES for her dropping out.
de5nuts
11 months ago
With all this ambiguity why would we not rely on the formal question and answer posed to the campaign in regards to an endorsement? The campaign answered that RFK was NOT endorsing and a lawyer had made a mistake, that's a very clear response to a direct question which is central to this market.
de5nuts
11 months ago
"The resolution source for this market will be official information from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. or one of his representatives." Not consensus news but need direct confirmation of endorsement from the campaign and we don't have that, in fact we had the opposite. The wording here is very specific and everyone in politics understands an endorsement is a formal declaration on the record which RFK and his campain have intentionally avoided. bar not met
de5nuts
11 months ago
can anyone comment in discord?
vote.fun
11 months ago
go chime in in discord
de5nuts
11 months ago
he basically got up spoke some stuff didn't say he endorses. It's clear, did not say he endorses during his speech during Trump rally or release a statement saying they endorse Trump.
IAmHarold
11 months ago
anyone watching RFK speak at Trump's rally? Thoughts?
de5nuts
11 months ago
this is a lazy ass verification not even reading the details of the market
JanSobieski3
11 months ago
“ Throwing his support to President Trump and joining the Trump campaign suffices as an endorsement, hence this market should resolve to "Yes."” this explanation doesn’t even make sense, as the rules first state “vote or Formal endorsement”, here in the added context it just says endorsement, and clearly he is didn’t say voting
de5nuts
11 months ago
Also he is still on the ballot in some states, he said he is technically still running and encouraged people to vote for him even though he said he would work with Trump. In campaigns candidates strategically work together often, but there is no real precedent for a candidate staying on the ballot, encouraging votes and claiming they could still win while also endorsing. The traditional route is drop out fully and endorse encouraging your supporters to vote for the other candidate, in fact RFK still encouraged his voters to vote for him but agreed to as strategic alliance and position in Trump's administration.
de5nuts
11 months ago
There has been no official information from the campaign that he has endorsed Trump. He did not say it during the speech and a spokesman actually corrected that there was not an endorsement in regards to a court filing. If there is a formal endorsement there needs to be official communication from the campaign as the speech did not meet the bar of a formal endorsement by any means.
de5nuts
11 months ago
There has been no official information from the campaign that he has endorsed Trump. He did not say it during the speech and a spokesman actually corrected that there was not an endorsement in regards to a court filing. If there is a formal endorsement there needs to be official communication from the campaign as the speech did not meet the bar of a formal endorsement by any means.
de5nuts
11 months ago
you should dispute the speech rfk endorsement market first if you're gonna do it
hillary2win
11 months ago
At 40 minute mark I will start a dispute and pay the fee. I have almost everything ready. I need you guys to start writing good arguments for why this should resolve as NO. And I have no idea how UMA processes this. Lets be respectful and polite throughout the process and use logic to correctly resolve this market. I believe its sent to a vote for UMA to review manually? Lets see if we can also discuss this on UMAs chats and channels if they require it. Need your help! Lets win this! If i lose the $750 its okay, I just wanted to do the right thing for the smaller betters here as well as myself ofc. Lets WIN! Team NO
de5nuts
11 months ago
Yes and his campaign specifically told the AP they did not endorse and the lawyer's filing will be updated to reflect that. He didn't say he endorses or will vote for him and the campain has not given an official endorsement directly before or after, this is a NO
5to5000
11 months ago
tactically saying you support donald trump is much different than saying "I endorse Donald Trump for president of the United States"
de5nuts
11 months ago
technically he only strategically suspended his campaign in some states and remains on the ballot and said he could still win.
Wrong19B4rullingEthereumETF
11 months ago
He didn't terminate his campaign, he suspends it. He doesn't endorse Trump, he supports him. You can still vote on Kennedy in blue states. If he would endorse Trump, why wouldn't he 1) just say he endorses Trump 2) terminate his campaign
de5nuts
11 months ago
He's still on ballots as a presidential candidate not sure how you can actually endorse if he's going to vote for himself?
de5nuts
11 months ago
the brain worms have taken over
de5nuts
11 months ago
dude had 5 scandals that would have dominated the headlines when Harris campaign needs to stay on offensive
minji
11 months ago
imagine thinking it would be shapiro after his own senator went after him
de5nuts
11 months ago
Just want to say thank you to the political pundits who all said of course it would be Shapiro
de5nuts
11 months ago
SAUCES are saying
winbet
11 months ago
Its possible that they did this to see reactions to Walz on social media. And then announce Andy
de5nuts
11 months ago
we didn't hear no bell
k4b
11 months ago
degens here will keep betting on worthless shares even after the VP is officially announced